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Like many above I rely on contactless payments. But remember that a contactless card will ask you to put in your pin number every ten transactions or so. Chargers do not have keypads so you can't!

The solution is to set up Google Pay or Apple Pay on your phone. Not only do you never have to put in your pin but there's no limit to the amount of the transaction. Apart from exceeding your credit limit or bank balance of course.
Actually, when I was asked for a PIN at an Instavolt, a keypad appeared on the touchscreen and I was able to type in my PIN.
 

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With that sort of range you really don't need to be even a little worried with charging.

If you have the choice go for sites with lots of stalls, hopefully you will pretty much be able to destination charge overnight to save any grief at all.

What's the total mileage you're expecting?

Lovely car, just need the lottery win for one of those and the Taycan 😁
Morning Belzok, no I'm not worried about range at all, just keen to get opinions and advice on charging given the start and end point. And you absolutely right, with a car like this, being worried should not be a factor. For me it's more having a fall back set of advice to build on and indeed use to improve the learning, even if we are not strictly needing.

At the same time, it's that first time out and first of everything .... even the Lake District :) No.1 Son called me Friday, he'd just done a presentation in London to near on 100 folks (and serious VC types ... no room for brevity) and needless to say he was hyped beforehand and full of adrenaline after. He's not done it before and of course now he has, it's a breeze. I remember that feeling very well. This is a little bit similar ... exciting and apprehensive at the same time.

Mileage I guess is about 150 up there. And I printed a route called 'Lake district Ultimate drive'. .... it's a big loop round. And I think that was 126 from memory. So not huge miles although I imagine it will expand as is the nature of these things.

And indeed in reality, the hotel does have it's own charger. I'm expecting the minimum there but all the same
 

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If you use Octopus energy sign up for Electric Juice (or is it universe). Growing number of charge points you can use their card for and billing back to home account
I did try to move to Octopus some months back Trevor. Unfortunately just as the energy issues were starting and informal advice from Octopus was to hang fire as we would loose out and come back when things were a little calmer. I don't think that will be anytime soon now unfortunately.
 

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Good choice on getting Honister and Hardnott pass in, great roads to drive on.

Just don't move to far over to make way or you'll be in the ditch like others do 🤣 theres usually a car off on Hardknott at the steep climb/decent switch backs.
Good advice and worth to know .... it's not a small car.
 

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I would NEVER get down to 10% on a lengthy (or any) journey... or ever.....

20% and I'd be getting twitchy! It's not range anxiety - it's that if you are at 10% (25-30m in my car - nearer 40 in yours) and then you get to a broken charger, move on to the next one and see it full you are starting to have a problem.

If you have nigh on 400m range, I'd adopt the "little and fairly often" strategy - get down to 30% ish and then try and make a 30%-80% top up "fit in" with what you are doing (lunch, a decent driving break etc etc)...

So, if you drive 250m that's a good 3 hrs drive - probably nearer 4 - you'll be well overdue for a stop.

I'd do 3 hours, plug in, have a snack, drink, loo, etc....

Then that will probably take you from 40% up to 60-70% (say 45 min)

Then I'd do another 2 ish hours - that will probably drop you from 70% to 25-30% or so.

Have some lunch, a break - take you from 30% back up to 70-80% or so.... that's probably given you 500m or so of driving with 0 stress, 0 worries about chargers etc.....

Even if you were to have some charger trouble, you are no-where near your danger-zone, you still have 100m or so of range...

And don't try to charge past 80% - it's utterly pointless in a car like that. Charging from 10/20% up to 80% is very very quick - but it quickly drops off from there onwards - much better to stop charging, get back on the road and use your time to travel not slow charging. Saying that, if you need to get to 82% or so that's fine - but don't wait to get to 100% - that last 10% will take as long as the previous 30% did or more even! Have you seen the charge curve for your car?

Most dealers don't tell customers this - look it up (somewhere will have it online) I suspect it will drop sharply at 80% so that's the point you unplug and go.
Solid stuff, going to have a read back through that and indeed all the posts later today when on the way. Thanks for the summary.
 

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Morning Belzok, no I'm not worried about range at all, just keen to get opinions and advice on charging given the start and end point. And you absolutely right, with a car like this, being worried should not be a factor. For me it's more having a fall back set of advice to build on and indeed use to improve the learning, even if we are not strictly needing.

At the same time, it's that first time out and first of everything .... even the Lake District :) No.1 Son called me Friday, he'd just done a presentation in London to near on 100 folks (and serious VC types ... no room for brevity) and needless to say he was hyped beforehand and full of adrenaline after. He's not done it before and of course now he has, it's a breeze. I remember that feeling very well. This is a little bit similar ... exciting and apprehensive at the same time.

Mileage I guess is about 150 up there. And I printed a route called 'Lake district Ultimate drive'. .... it's a big loop round. And I think that was 126 from memory. So not huge miles although I imagine it will expand as is the nature of these things.

And indeed in reality, the hotel does have it's own charger. I'm expecting the minimum there but all the same
Its going to be a fun trip, love that part of the country 😀

Hopefully just the one public rapid charge at most then if the hotel destination charger does its bit.

My first long journey was also a bit of a worry, but it ended up just a bit of a wait for the charger and all went well.

These days with bigger batteries and more chargers it really does make it fairly easy, once you get used to it.
 

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MFG at M6 J27 is my usual stop going up the M6 but the Gridserve at Burton-in-Kendal services is also a good place to stop if you want to get a bit further before recharging,
 

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Hi fellow Mercedes’ driver here an EQC so my range is a tad lower! The MBUX navigation system with the chargers on it is reliable here in France. Mercedes’ me charge works well and simply so if you have set up your card and Mercedes’ me charge is live you should be good at any of the charge networks supported. you can track spend in the Mercedes’ me app. They take a month to charge the card.
Ionity work well with Mercedes’ systems but I have not been to the U.K. with an electric car so I cannot comment on the public charging network there. I can totally identify with the apprehension when making a first trip, here using the motorways is a breeze but if going cross country we were a little more anxious but the advice to top up when the opportunity presents itself is sound in my experience and also if you know you can top up at the destination and you have the range to leave it to a destination charge.
If you have not come across it I really recommend the Mercedes eco coach app full of lots of info and you can earn points to offset public charging costs.
On a recent cross country trip we pré planned stops using A better route planner and chargemap then put them into the navigation as waypoints and it all worked well for locating them.
Hope you enjoy the EQS as much as I enjoy my EQC.
 

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Hi fellow Mercedes’ driver here an EQC so my range is a tad lower! The MBUX navigation system with the chargers on it is reliable here in France. Mercedes’ me charge works well and simply so if you have set up your card and Mercedes’ me charge is live you should be good at any of the charge networks supported. you can track spend in the Mercedes’ me app. They take a month to charge the card.
Ionity work well with Mercedes’ systems but I have not been to the U.K. with an electric car so I cannot comment on the public charging network there. I can totally identify with the apprehension when making a first trip, here using the motorways is a breeze but if going cross country we were a little more anxious but the advice to top up when the opportunity presents itself is sound in my experience and also if you know you can top up at the destination and you have the range to leave it to a destination charge.
If you have not come across it I really recommend the Mercedes eco coach app full of lots of info and you can earn points to offset public charging costs.
On a recent cross country trip we pré planned stops using A better route planner and chargemap then put them into the navigation as waypoints and it all worked well for locating them.
Hope you enjoy the EQS as much as I enjoy my EQC.
Hi Parkwood. Solid advice. Like the well organised guy I am / are not (delete as applicable) ... I applied for the Mercedes Me card and it arrived a week or two before the card. I registered it and then promptly lost it!

Fortunately one came with the car but it was a lengthy job on the morning of collection to transfer from one to another. In fairness they did and all good

I have to confess to having zero anxiety of any sort regarding range although it turns out we should have had!!! :) .... will post the story shortly. We did a good 580 miles the last 2 days and mainly fun miles.

Yes the onboard nav was very very good. And I did indeed have the eco coach on which made fun reading end of day. And the augmented HUD navigation was amazingly good. I tend to be a bit tetchy about members of family who rely too heavily on nav systems .... I always get them to try to read signs and the road rather than rely on a mobile. But I have to confess, a day into using the HUD based nav, I forgot about signs and common sense. Today I made a conscious effort to return to not just relying on the car to tell me where to go. :)

First outing in the EQS was a game changer. Been a long time since I used a car that genuinely elevates the experience. I have a logic that most don't that says if it's not the best then go as low as you can go. That sounds and reads pretentious. What I mean is, that I resist the 'grey middle' and would rather swim at the utility end of the pool until something truly special comes along. Hence using ultra low end cars the last few years since my company car days. High mileage, early 90's base models with high efficiency and self maintaining. But now I do have something truly uplifting, I have to admit, it's a super feeling.

Ionity I meant to test this morning on the way back but the wife was running late for work so had to pass on that.

Will post my 1st charge experience shortly .... was a challenge but funny now.
 

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Many thanks folks to all those who took the time to give me advice with first journey. Hugely appreciated although I have to confess to not being able to use all of it .... yet. Will tell the story in another post maybe later today. But all valuable stuff and 100% I will be using it in next trips. Appreciated.

But the morale of the story is definitely, check where the Coniston Hall Hotel & Spa actually is rather than assume it is at Coniston. Best laid plans :)
 

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Many thanks folks to all those who took the time to give me advice with first journey. Hugely appreciated although I have to confess to not being able to use all of it .... yet. Will tell the story in another post maybe later today. But all valuable stuff and 100% I will be using it in next trips. Appreciated.

But the morale of the story is definitely, check where the Coniston Hall Hotel & Spa actually is rather than assume it is at Coniston. Best laid plans :)
Been there done that with some destinations😉😂
 

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Good choice on getting Honister and Hardnott pass in, great roads to drive on.

Just don't move to far over to make way or you'll be in the ditch like others do 🤣 theres usually a car off on Hardknott at the steep climb/decent switch backs.
Hardnott is great fun. However I would not recommend in the dark as your lights do not point in the right direction!! (done that once, not again)
 

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We do the trip to the lakes from south Dorset a couple of times a year in our Kia Soul Fe and are lucky as we don’t need to stop at charge points other than our friends in Liverpool, a distance of 268 miles, where we stop overnight and use their charger and when they visit us in Dorset they do the same.
After a night in Liverpool, then it’s on to the lakes, making our first stop in Grange over Sands to stock up with meats, pies, Black pudding, Bacon and sausages and other comestibles at Higginsons Butchers and Pie Makers, (a must visit for anyone visiting the lakes🤗) then it’s a short trip to our house up on Cartmell Fell where we have a charge point.
We decided before getting our EV that we would only charge at our homes 7Kwh chargeers or at our friends home charger and we’ve managed to stick to that after 18months and 32k miles.
We wish you luck in your Lakeland holiday, send us all a postcard. 🤣
 

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Many thanks folks to all those who took the time to give me advice with first journey. Hugely appreciated although I have to confess to not being able to use all of it .... yet. Will tell the story in another post maybe later today. But all valuable stuff and 100% I will be using it in next trips. Appreciated.

But the morale of the story is definitely, check where the Coniston Hall Hotel & Spa actually is rather than assume it is at Coniston. Best laid plans :)
Skipton ain't bad in fair weather but Hawes n the cheese plant is the best ! n the drives /walks around Keswick /Kendal /Sedbergh or inland to Kirkby Stephen are spectacular (our son lives in the Eden valley ) get back there again n enjoy !
 

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Skipton ain't bad in fair weather but Hawes n the cheese plant is the best ! n the drives /walks around Keswick /Kendal /Sedbergh or inland to Kirkby Stephen are spectacular (our son lives in the Eden valley ) get back there again n enjoy !
Gotta say, was a very nice area. We didn't do a great deal of walking but a lot of driving this time :) .... we did however walk down to the Ribblehead Viaduct. What a thing that is. And indeed we did walk into the cheese plant and spent a small fortune on things we didn't need but enjoyed :)

No a super part of the world and will be returned to for sure. Only other previous experience was in collecting bits bought off ebay rather than exploring properly.
 
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