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I’m looking to buy this Tekna it’s in very nice condition from a ev dealer.but I’m not used to electric cars .is it worth buying with 1 bar gone already. I’m a pensioner so I can’t take too many chances financially.its £12,000.after I came home and read a few things I became a bit unsure. When he phoned to ask for a deposit, I asked if it had the card in the satnav yes .and has it got the tyre inflator yes. And can you give me a print out of the battery state,although I wouldn’t know what I was looking at anyway .what are you’re thoughts please. I waiting for the print out.i only asked him this morning
 

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Seems quite early to lose a bar, in my opinion.

I'm assuming it's a 30kWh?

If the range is going to be suitable for you, might be a good negotiating point. Have a look for similar cars and see how many still have all bars.

My 2014 24kWh is still showing all 12 bars, although I have a feeling the first ones not far from dropping off.
 

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Seems quite early to lose a bar, in my opinion.

I'm assuming it's a 30kWh?

If the range is going to be suitable for you, might be a good negotiating point. Have a look for similar cars and see how many still have all bars.

My 2014 24kWh is still showing all 12 bars, although I have a feeling the first ones not far from dropping off.
Hi thanks for getting back to me,I’m still waiting for the print out and see where I go from there. I’ve had a look there are taxis with 100,000 miles still with 12 bars and some with 14,000 miles on 11 bars.they said in the garage it all depends how the previous owner has looked after the battery.
 

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there are taxis with 100,000 miles still with 12 bars
That's not quite true.
Rapid charging causes the health to increase artificially for a few weeks. Taxis typically go through lots of rapid charge sessions which keeps the SOH reading showing higher than it really is. Put it into regular use after it's sat around at a dealer for a few weeks/months and the software will start to realise that it isn't as healthy as it first thought and the health/capacity/range will drop. Typically the cars that got this sort of treatment also end up having weak cells causing problems later on down the line too. I've seen this a number of times both with taxis and other similar use cases like my own old 30kWh LEAF.

You can most definitely find a 30kWh LEAF That still has all 12 bars showing, but the simple fact is that Nissan did a terrible job at making the cars and not giving their batteries any active cooling system. As a result they degrade far quicker than almost any other brand. This means that all the other 12 bar vehicles are probably not too far from losing their first bar by now I'm afraid.

As people said above, as long as the range is more than enough for your needs, don't let it bother you too much. If a 11 Bar LEAF isn't going to get you far enough, then a 30kWh LEAF Probably isn't the right car for you to be looking at anyways.

Hopefully they can get back to you with something along the lines of a LeafSpy report. That's going to be your most detailed snapshot of the battery health and an idea of it's past life. If they do, post that back here and we will be able to give advice on if it's a good buy in our opinions or not.
 

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I've owned my 2017 30kwh Leaf for just over a year and whilst I don't have as much experience as the regular posters on this forum it does seem early to lose a bar. If this is an EV specialist dealer then I would have thought they would be able to give you the Leaf Spy app State of Health reading, knowledge such as this differentiates the specialist dealers. You could also ask them to fully charge the car so that you can check the range?
 

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That's not quite true.
Rapid charging causes the health to increase artificially for a few weeks. Taxis typically go through lots of rapid charge sessions which keeps the SOH reading showing higher than it really is. Put it into regular use after it's sat around at a dealer for a few weeks/months and the software will start to realise that it isn't as healthy as it first thought and the health/capacity/range will drop. Typically the cars that got this sort of treatment also end up having weak cells causing problems later on down the line too. I've seen this a number of times both with taxis and other similar use cases like my own old 30kWh LEAF.

You can most definitely find a 30kWh LEAF That still has all 12 bars showing, but the simple fact is that Nissan did a terrible job at making the cars and not giving their batteries any active cooling system. As a result they degrade far quicker than almost any other brand. This means that all the other 12 bar vehicles are probably not too far from losing their first bar by now I'm afraid.

As people said above, as long as the range is more than enough for your needs, don't let it bother you too much. If a 11 Bar LEAF isn't going to get you far enough, then a 30kWh LEAF Probably isn't the right car for you to be looking at anyways.

Hopefully they can get back to you with something along the lines of a LeafSpy report. That's going to be your most detailed snapshot of the battery health and an idea of it's past life. If they do, post that back here and we will be able to give advice on if it's a good buy in our opinions or not.
 

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If you are looking to buy any secondhand LEAF, it would be a good idea to invest in an OBD2 dongle and Leafspy Lite, so that you can see the actual state of the battery.
 

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The price seems quite high. Is it from a Nissan dealer?
 

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Worth checking its not still on the "4A" battery firmware. 2017 cars are usually on 6A, but it might have been a late registered model or something.

The 4A firmware shows erroneous health readings.

FWIW, my 2017 is on 54k and is very close to losing a bar, generally floating around 85% SOH.
 

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My 13 Reg 24kWh Sunderland built Leaf (having spent its first year as a dealer's demonstrator) lost its first bar at 30,500 miles 3 years ago (Oct 2017), but has not yet lost its second bar with the current mileage at 52,000 miles.

Having lost just one bar implies a SOH between 85% and 77.5%. The question for you is 'is its actual range with your driving adequate for your expected usage?', remembering that the range achieved in winter is less (due to cold and wet roads) than that achieved in summer. While my current midsummer range can be as good as 70 miles, in midwinter I cannot rely on much more than 50 miles.

The displayed remaining range is only a guess (for good reason it is known as the Guess-o-meter or GOM) and in my view is over optimistic.
 

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That's not quite true.
Rapid charging causes the health to increase artificially for a few weeks. Taxis typically go through lots of rapid charge sessions which keeps the SOH reading showing higher than it really is. Put it into regular use after it's sat around at a dealer for a few weeks/months and the software will start to realise that it isn't as healthy as it first thought and the health/capacity/range will drop. Typically the cars that got this sort of treatment also end up having weak cells causing problems later on down the line too. I've seen this a number of times both with taxis and other similar use cases like my own old 30kWh LEAF.

You can most definitely find a 30kWh LEAF That still has all 12 bars showing, but the simple fact is that Nissan did a terrible job at making the cars and not giving their batteries any active cooling system. As a result they degrade far quicker than almost any other brand. This means that all the other 12 bar vehicles are probably not too far from losing their first bar by now I'm afraid.

As people said above, as long as the range is more than enough for your needs, don't let it bother you too much. If a 11 Bar LEAF isn't going to get you far enough, then a 30kWh LEAF Probably isn't the right car for you to be looking at anyways.

Hopefully they can get back to you with something along the lines of a LeafSpy report. That's going to be your most detailed snapshot of the battery health and an idea of it's past life. If they do, post that back here and we will be able to give advice on if it's a good buy in our opinions or not
 

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Hi my wife’s commute is only twice a week a10 mile round trip,but it’s just how long the battery will last before we have to buy a new one.i can see now why not too many people are buyin ev it’s a bit complicated
 

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Hi my wife’s commute is only twice a week a10 mile round trip,but it’s just how long the battery will last before we have to buy a new one.i can see now why not too many people are buyin ev it’s a bit complicated
You don't need to worry about buying a new battery if that is your only journey. Even the LEAFs that are almost 10 years old now, have the oldest battery chemistry and a smaller capacity than the 30kWh you're looking at and had a very hard life can still easily do that sort of distance and then some. Ones that have been well looked after can still do much, much more.

I can understand the worry but honestly you'll be fine. In fact you could save money by going for a 24kWh LEAF instead, the same age or maybe a little bit older and still have more than enough range for that use case, if you're confident you won't have any significant change of circumstances.
 

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25000 miles, 12 bars, £10950...

 

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25000 miles, 12 bars, £10950...

Hi this sounds really good, unfortunately my wife who the car is for will only have one in black or grey as she thinks they all look disgusting. And these two colours disguise it a bit.its always harder to buy for other people who are not flexible👍😂
 
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