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I was talking today to someone that works for a main dealer. He is involved in creating their new web site and he is keen to quote the range of the Nissan Leaf at a realistic range of 85 miles instead of the 124 miles that Nissan quote. I think he is getting some resistance from the management but I also think he might win the argument.

If he does then they will probably be the first dealer that I know of to quote a real-world and realistic range.

I think that this is a massive step in the right direction. People need to know the facts if they are to make the transition to EVs... not the marketing spin and the sooner dealers stop quoting the ridiculous 124 miles the better IMO.

BTW I must keep the name of the dealer undisclosed lest it jeopardise his efforts... sorry :)
 

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That's good, I've said before how honest our dealer was about the LEAF, he drove it flat himself once to test it properly. Sure Nissan won't approve as it's not inline with their messages, maybe they will live and learn from this, fingers crossed.
 

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I bought from Toomey Nissan in Basildon who told me I would get 85 miles to 95 miles max, he told me to think hard about a leaf, but in his opinion my driving needs would fit perfect with a leaf!
 

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Same story here. Our dealer was great. Honest about realistic range, passionate about the leaf succeeding, ran one himself and made no rush for us to make a decision and that to make sure it was right for us. I will always return to someone I trust rather than those who are in it purely for their commission.
 

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I would find it hard to argue with the 85 to 95 range for the average driver. I think while this is a good headline it is also fair to let potential buyers know it IS possible to drive 100 miles per charge in the winter...and more in the summer ... with careful driving. I would like people who are "like me" to know this. People who are desparate to own and drive an electric car. For whom the electric car will be the only car. Who on occasion will HAVE to be able to do this range. Who lives in a part of the world with little or no charging away from home.
 

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I am curious because I can only get 65-70 miles out of my Mk1 in the winter. My battery is about 10% down from new which if adjusted to new would give roughly 75 miles... so I am curious how Mk2 drivers are getting such good range. I would have guessed that 10% more might be achievable which would take it to about 85 miles but I would imagine that would be tops.

I know that there are many improvements but I didn't think it was that much better.

I have heard from many Mk2 drivers and my impression was that 85-90 miles is possible to flat (which of course is less if you want any reserve).

I still want to do a head to head, side-by-side, Mk1 vs mk2 test to see this for myself.
 

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Hi Paul.

I mostly drive without the heater on.

I am pretty obsessive about maximising range.

Drive in eco. Driving style is minimum acceleration....only one dot of power used unless unavoidable for safety. Regen where possible.

A lot of my miles are around town.

Am closing in on 10,000 miles in my Leaf since October and I really am experiencing 1% = 1 mile most days. There have been days where I would not have got home without achieving 100 miles range. I think nothing of driving it to lower than 5% - the dashes! Not yet achieved a turtle!
 

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Don't get me wrong... I am not saying you don't get that mileage!!! I believe you 100%. I just don't know how you do it :)

I am pretty experienced too. I have done over 24k miles now in my Leaf and driven all over the UK so although I am completely sure I am not anywhere the best at saving power but I do feel I do a half decent job. So I too drive with no heating. 1 or 2 blobs of power whenever safe to do so. Don't regen unless I have too trying to glide whenever safe to do so etc.

The difference is that almost none of my driving is around town! Most is on faster roads and at 40-60mph. So perhaps that is the key difference.

I use LeafSpy so I too will drive past "---" if necessary.

I will have to do some tests driving just around town and see what I can get. Something to do tomorrow perhaps? ;)
 

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Have got pretty much the 100 mile range driving long trips too. Telford to Southampton mostly motorway. Can only assume the redesigns in the gen 1.5 have lead to the increase in range?

Have noticed a loss in torrential rain....found the same in my Berlingo....and would only be in the 90's on days where all the driving is in those conditions in winter temperatures.

Presume as an experienced ev driver you keep your tyre pressures up so not sure what else it could be?
 

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To be fair when I went on my first leaf test drive in 2012 the specialist I saw at nissan (southampton) was also pretty clear what the expected range was and came over as rather keen to ensure I knew what I was getting myself in to (whilst being very excited about EVs too).
 

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The dealer who took us on a test drive also was also keen to manage expectations and never mentioned the official figure. To me, the range is a concern for ~2% of my trips. The rest of the time I rarely do more than 20miles.
 

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The Guy at Aldershot Nissan was very straight with us and very careful to check the Leaf would do what we wanted it to. He drives one himself and was quite the evangelist.
If dealers quote 124mi who is ever going to go back to them?
 

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WKB at Waterlooville has a manager who has a Leaf as his company car of choice. He and the salesman I dealt with were both very clear that there was a difference between claimed range and realistic range. They also made certain that I was aware of my potential usage of the car, knowing that unhappy customers are the worst adverts.
I long ago had worked out my normal car usage as being mostly local shopping trips. I can top up between trips as I wish. I look upon range as similar to my fathers driving routines. He never filled up his fuel tank, but purchased £5 worth of petrol at a time, about 60-100 miles. It worked for him and if you study the petrol pumps when filling the second car you will notice that many people still put in £10 at a time. (about 1.5 gallons/ 40-60 miles)
Have you noticed that ALL car reviews in Magazines seem to ignore the idea of top up charging and only quote the maximum times for a full charge from flat? Are Journalists a bigger problem than overzealous salesmen?
 
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