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From what I read on these forums, nearly all active members of this forum buy their home energy from smaller challenger companies, such as Octopus & Bulb, rather than the big six suppliers.

Is it the case that the big six are not sufficently motivated to offer tarrifs which are value for money for off peak charging or do they believe that their E7 tarrifs are attractive enough.

I have been a customer of E.On for over 10 years and wrote to them on more than one occasion this year asking if they were planning any innovative EV charging products before I took delivery of a car, but I received no response.

I have now switched to Octopus and am now on Agile, with the car due in about a month...
 

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Well that took 2 seconds with Google

https://www.eonenergy.com/for-your-home/products-and-services/fixfix-and-drive

Dunno if it is any good though, you'd have to ask for a quote.
The only 'special' thing I can see about that tariff is:
"You'll get a reward of 850 miles - equivalent to £30. It'll be credited to your account after six months of starting the tariff"

lol :)

My quoted rates came out at:

Unit rateNormal 17.663p per kWh
Standing charge21.212p per day
 

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I was aware of "Fix & Drive" however I recall that the off peak rate was twice that of Octopus Go so I would not have thought they were trying to compete with the new competitors but was a feeble attempt in retaining customers who are buying an EV.
 

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In readiness for our eNiro arrival we had Eon replace our meter with a dual tariff unit some 4 months ago and despite repeated phone calls and e mails we still have no idea what their E7 rates per kWh are.
Last week’s threat of Ofgen at least generated a rapid response to the effect they would get back to me within ‘days’
Difficult to compare rates when they refuse to reveal anything but a ‘projected annual saving’!
 

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I think the big6 realise we all know what standing chagres and pence per Kwh mean and are not interested in serving us. Even that EDF cheap weekends thing is MORE than I pay on Agile. I'm not stupid, why would I turn down free motoring... spent a TOTAL of 10p on motoring in last calender month and ~ 300+ miles. Not 10p per Kwh, 10p total, as I optimised charge for agile negative/cheap pricing on every weekend it's been available, and been charging at some free podpoints when at a destination that offers them. I havn't been waiting around longer than I'm in store, and taking piss, just turning up, charging, doing my business -> unplugging and leaving.

I have been doing slightly less miles since lockdown admittedly, but fact my price is so low is not just due to that -> its because the e-niro's big battery, I can afford NOT to plug in when prices are high.

17p a Kwh though LOL -> it's DOUBLE my agile average of between 8 and 9p for last 4 months -> this isns't just down to the LAST month when I've been so frugal.
 

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It's all about having the back end to be able to do this stuff. I suspect there's a lot of incredibly old and creaking billing systems out there. It wouldn't surprise me if bringing variable billing, beyond economy7, to some of these systems is simply impossible.
 

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I may be doing them a great disservice, but I wouldn't be surprised if smart metering has been implemented by the information being downloaded from the connector, parsed through excel and imported into the billing system manually as a CSV file or some such.
 

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Whats mad is the big6 pay LESS for a smart meter customer, have you seen transmission rates. For majority of customers I bet they make more profit. I have a SIPP personally and refuse to invest in any Big6 firm for fact I think they are going to be replaced in next few years. Once everyone heats/drives on their home leccy supply, bye bye current big6.
 

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In readiness for our eNiro arrival we had Eon replace our meter with a dual tariff unit some 4 months ago and despite repeated phone calls and e mails we still have no idea what their E7 rates per kWh are.
Last week’s threat of Ofgen at least generated a rapid response to the effect they would get back to me within ‘days’
Difficult to compare rates when they refuse to reveal anything but a ‘projected annual saving’!
Here you go.....
 

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Big 6/Dual fuel, never again... They have nothing to offer the EV driver. Halved my energy costs leaving EDF Go Electric with Agile/Ebico for gas.

And this whole comparison site nonsense is a total crock the way they bury the unit rates, fake savings, and often offer tariffs unique to them for a nice wee backhander... Anything that involves a middleman costs more.
 

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Big 6/Dual fuel, never again... They have nothing to offer the EV driver. Halved my energy costs leaving EDF Go Electric with Agile/Ebico for gas.

And this whole comparison site nonsense is a total crock the way they bury the unit rates, fake savings, and often offer tariffs unique to them for a nice wee backhander... Anything that involves a middleman costs more.
I see on the website for ebico it's just been taken over by British Gas...
 

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Is it the case that the big six are not sufficently motivated to offer tarrifs which are value for money
Why would they bother?
Most people don't change supplier, so they skin them for whatever.
Most of those that do change go for the cheapest who inevitably go bust and pass their customers back to one of the big six - so they get them back eventually.
(I've changed supplier about five times and it worries me a bit that most of the ones I left have since gone pop. Lucky so far :unsure: )
 

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I am on Octopus Go Faster at the moment as I need the extra hour to charge my house batteries (4 hours isn't quite enough). I am slightly tempted by the British Gas Electric Drivers @ 20p/4.7p (12AM-5AM) - but I don't like the 20p
 

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When I redid my supply April/May this year I initially used an aggregator site (can't remember which one, but it was a reputable one) and both British Gas and EDF showed up in the top 5. SO Energy (who I stuck with) was also there - Octopus was not - not sure if it was because Go is a specialised tariff, but I did do a breakdown comparison between the new SO Energy offering and Octopus Go before making my decision.
 

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I am on Octopus Go Faster at the moment as I need the extra hour to charge my house batteries (4 hours isn't quite enough). I am slightly tempted by the British Gas Electric Drivers @ 20p/4.7p (12AM-5AM) - but I don't like the 20p
Out of interest, how much time do you need to charge the batteries? Cheers

EDIT, sounds like Agile is just too variable for regular top-ups.
 
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