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Makes interesting reading with the following number of registered vehicles by make as at Q2 2014:

Leaf - 4660
Plug in Prius - 1100
Ampera/Volt - 1010
Imiev/czero/ion - 830
I3 - 770 (of which 433 are Rex)
Zoe - 570
Tesla S - 192
e-Up - 59 (!)

Given how long it has been around for and Renault's volume aspirations for it, the Zoe especially stands out as being a failure in the UK. The e-UP also looks like it will never catch on here.
 

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Really disappointed with the Zoe figures as it is a great car but Renault do not seem to be marketing it at all. Nobody knows what it is and as the figures show we just don't see any on the road - I haven't seen another locally since we got ours 6 months ago. In a another way it is quite nice to own a car that is unique but I really want to see Renault pushing them so more people go electric. Nissan seem to get it right and Mitsubishi/BMW also. Do Renault not want to get a return on their investment??
 

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Odd, when I check the site the Model S isn't listed, just Roadster and Tesla Model Missing.....
 

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Ah I see it appears in search but not in the A-Z index...
 

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Great work Smartie, didn't think to do a comparison.

I think the Zoe is a great little car, I've only seen one in the flesh, if they dropped the cost of the battery lease that might encourage others.
 

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I suspect it's to do with the lifetime battery lease - not attractive to most people.


Really disappointed with the Zoe figures as it is a great car but Renault do not seem to be marketing it at all. Nobody knows what it is and as the figures show we just don't see any on the road - I haven't seen another locally since we got ours 6 months ago. In a another way it is quite nice to own a car that is unique but I really want to see Renault pushing them so more people go electric. Nissan seem to get it right and Mitsubishi/BMW also. Do Renault not want to get a return on their investment??
 

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I suspect it's to do with the lifetime battery lease - not attractive to most people.
We actually liked the battery lease as that is one area where the uncertainty lies. We like the fact that Renault guarantee them and there is a possibility for better batteries to be swapped in at the end of our 4 year lease. The £15,000 price also offsets the battery lease when compared with the more expensive Leaf which is not much roomier and not as good looking IMO.
 

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We actually liked the battery lease as that is one area where the uncertainty lies. We like the fact that Renault guarantee them and there is a possibility for better batteries to be swapped in at the end of our 4 year lease. The £15,000 price also offsets the battery lease when compared with the more expensive Leaf which is not much roomier and not as good looking IMO.
There is no requirement for Renault to replace the batteries only to restore them back to 70% of new capacity.
The battery lease route seems very unpopular in the UK hence the low sales of the Zoe and flex option on the Leaf.
 

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The battery lease route seems very unpopular in the UK hence the low sales of the Zoe and flex option on the Leaf.
It's a sensible option to offer, but I agree it's not a big hit. It may also, conversely, actually add doubts to people's minds about batteries that needn't be there.

All way off-topic from the Tesla sales though, sorry all. :D
 

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I hadn't implied that Renault would swap the batteries only that the car is designed in a way that the batteries can be removed and replaced with better ones in the future, which I believe is similar on the Leaf. If I had the choice of lease or buy the batteries on my next EV I would probably buy unless I was looking at a short term ownership. At least Nissan offers both options-for which they should be applauded. They really are trying hard to sell the EV to the masses.
 

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I'm amazed Tesla has delivered so many in such short time. No wonder they are blocking all the rapids! :)

How soon before they overtake iMieV/CZero/iOn? Next quarter?
 
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Looks like they have more or less hit their initial target of 50/week, so if they keep that up that'll be ~800 in the UK by the end of Sept.

Time for more Superchargers methinks! :)
 

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It's a sensible option to offer, but I agree it's not a big hit. It may also, conversely, actually add doubts to people's minds about batteries that needn't be there.

All way off-topic from the Tesla sales though, sorry all. :D
Not that OT when comparing sales numbers..With the Zoe Battery Lease,Renault's guaranteeing a minimum level at which they'll act on a degrading Battery..Reading Kevin Sharpe's roadster issues,He's paid a £13k warranty that doesn't cover his battery..and that figure is worth 15 years+ of zoe cover with my present agreement..I like the safety net there..
 

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Looks like they have more or less hit their initial target of 50/week, so if they keep that up that'll be ~800 in the UK by the end of Sept.

Time for more Superchargers methinks! :)
Of course it does depend on how many are back orders.. I placed my order 16 months before the car arrived, and was something like reservation number 200.

Hopefully they can maintain momentum. One thing is for sure, most people still don't know what it is.

Parking it up, you often have people wander round the car, and you can over hear them saying "That's a fancy Jag", then confused looks on their faces when they don't see the Jag logo.

I have still to see a paid for advert in any form of media, no sponsorship of any events. Why aren't they using the S as a safety car on Formula E? After all the i8 is a hybrid, in what is supposed to be an all electric race series ;) (Sure most people watching the whole Formula E race probably have an interest in EVs and so know what a Tesla is, but the last crash made prime time news and would have shown off the car to a wider range of people.)

The other worry is the deliveries are peaky. I suspect they will be doing production runs of RHD in the factory when they have built up enough orders. That way they can stick them all on one boat and ship them over to Holland for final finishing, before dumping off hundreds of cars in a short space of time to the UK .

My experience is this overwhelms the staff and lots of mistakes are being made at delivery time. :(

Tesla hinted to me the Birmingham service centre is opening mid October, so hopefully this will help.
 

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Reading Kevin Sharpe's roadster issues,He's paid a £13k warranty that doesn't cover his battery..and that figure is worth 15 years+ of zoe cover with my present agreement..I like the safety net there..
Fascinating to see the warranty expressed in those terms... £13K buys an awful lot of cover in the 'real' world :rolleyes:

One thing I'd like to know is how many Model S owners purchased the car without knowing that battery degradation wasn't covered. The owners I know didn't realise this and I wonder if that will have an impact on sales as it gets better known in the future.
 

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Fascinating to see the warranty expressed in those terms... £13K buys an awful lot of cover in the 'real' world :rolleyes:

One thing I'd like to know is how many Model S owners purchased the car without knowing that battery degradation wasn't covered. The owners I know didn't realise this and I wonder if that will have an impact on sales as it gets better known in the future.
Count me in on that one. I naively assumed the thermal control and advanced battery management would all but eliminate degradation, and didn't look into the fine print.

I just assumed, I'd be able to shift it for near 50% in 3 years time, especially with the remaining 5 years battery, and 1 years warranty.

I didn't go for Tesla's finance so I am worried about the future resales if battery degradation becomes a perceived problem. (Probably why I am showing too much of an interest in your thread ;) )
 
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