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Time to set up Patreon or the more ethical one "Subscribe Star" i think it it`s called (or both) and if anyone watching this thread hasn`t noticed,there seems to be some room on those body panels for good advertising if you can persuade the owner,builder and driver of this ground breaking motor racing car your products or services are suitable,i would drop him a PM.
Super pic`s,cheers :)
 

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Thanks as always Simon.

Slight adjustment to my previous post. My next event is no longer the Noosa Hill Climb. I have decided to have a crack at the Mt Cotton Hill climb tomorrow. I should have some new content to share in a few days.
 

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I had a great day at the Mt Cotton Hill climb on Saturday. My results were not all that impressive but quite respectable for a first attempt. I did end up in the Macadamia nuts (quite an effective safety barrier) on my second run. This event has made me realise the "understeer" issue I had been trying to resolve is gone and what I am suffering from now is actually a brake bias issue. On the successful runs during the day I was forced to brake very early for the tight corners and enter at rather conservative speeds. On the second run I left the braking too late for the brakes to handle and as a result continued straight ahead into the nuts. There was no damage to the car or driver apart from some dents to the ego. All in all it was a very successful day as I now know what is required to make the car more competitive. Here are a few photos from the day.
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Both the car and yourself seem to be evolving nicely, try to get the braking done before you start turning into the corners, dragging the brakes whilst turning in really unsettles the car, slow in fast out.
Try to do some breathing excersises before you set off on the run, keep as calm as you can.
It looks like a tad too much camber on the front from the pics.
Great update anyway, did you manage any film footage? I think i prefer more standard type fim footage than the 360 cam but a good mix /edit would probably be best anyway, more Go pro type camers required maybe, from different angles and you could look into some kind of tethered flying chase cam idea maybe?
Keep at it anyway, i really enjoy the updates and it is very inspiring.
 

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Thanks. Yes I do tend to brake before the corners but even braking in a straight line is problematic as there is not enough weight on the front to allow the front brakes to be effective. They lock way too easily. So I am currently forced to be very slow leading up to any significant corner. Where as I can't lock the back brakes no matter how hard I try. So increasing the back brakes will allow me to brake later (still before the corner) but still enter the corner at a similar speed. I am confident it will make a very significant difference.

Yes I have some footage but I haven't got it on YouTube yet. I'll provide another update with the videos soon. I am really struggling with my new camera and software combination. My old ones are no longer viable. Unfortunately drones are banned from our events.

I have tried a lot of different angles with front and rear wheels and I am confident this is the optimum setup. I was able to maintain great corner speed. I agree the front camber does look extreme. But it needs to be fairly aggressive to compensate for the weight distribution. I can see in many head on photos that when the car leans into a corner the contact patch of the outside tyre is maximised. A reduction of the camber would detract from that contact patch.
 

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Top stuff, maybe some bigger power caps to give more oomph off the line and help with punch out of the corners.
Is there any way to get the weight forwards a bit to help balance the brakes?
It looks damp and being winter how is track temps?
Have you considered tyre warmers?
Really enjoyed the videos anyway, thanks for sharing.
 

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Thanks as always Simon.
The lack of acceleration off the line isn't due to lack of power. Last year at both Winter and Summer the car launched 50% better than that. The problem this year was grip and all the competitors were struggling with it. Although it hurt me more than most because my launch is my strongest aspect.

I have tried moving weight forward but it wasn't enough. I tried that when I thought I Still had a handling problem. I have since realised the handling problem is gone and I am left with the brake bias issue. I have bias knobs but I have maxed them out and it still isn't enough. I have some big calipers to go in the back. I just need a break between events to work out the placement and fabrication.

Yes the track was cold and damp/wet all weekend to varying degrees. Even at its best on this weekend it fell far short of the grip last year. I was being fairly cautious coming into each corner because I knew if I left braking too late I would be at risk of understeering straight into a wall or off the side of the hill. So I am confident when I sort the brakes out my times will improve significantly (not that they were all that bad to begin with). I am not sure of the actual track temps but the air temps would have been 10-20 degrees Celsius. Which is perfect but the rain on the track was the problem and with the tree cover it never evaporated 100%. Some competitors wrap their tyres between runs. They are generally the competitors running Avon tyres and it is to avoid all the junk being picked up by the super sticky compound. I don't have super sticky compounds so they don't pick up much junk. But also it is essential to have crew at the start line to remove the wrap. Unfortunately I don't have any crew.......I must try new deodorant.

So the next step is to fix the brakes and gains some confidence into the corners. I think I can pick up a couple of seconds there. Then once I have exhausted those gains I need to try and find a way to get some Avons and a pit crew and there will be a couple more seconds there. I also want to add a small motorcycle style windscreen to kick the air flow over my head or at least over my shoulders. I don't think it will make much difference but it can't hurt.
 

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Hi, i do hope you are safe and well, hearing a lot about the fires down under at the moment?
Any updates on the car /meetings etc?
Kindest regards
Simon
 

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Thanks Simon, Yes the fires are a serious concern. My area is fine for now. My Aunt and Uncle lost their house down south. The smoke impact on air quality is a major concern too. Although it depends on the wind direction. There is no escaping it when it lingers. It is bad enough to make zap your energy because breathing is noticeably more difficult.

I was meant to have another crack at the Noosa Hill climb last weekend but the event was cancelled due to the fires in the area.

News on the EV front are not much better unfortunately. I wasn't going to mention it too broadly on the forums as I didn't want to show how angry I am but here goes. I was entered as part of a team representing my club at the Mt Cotton Club challenge. The day before the event the governing body contacted me to say they would not allow me to compete because I am in an electric car. They made it sound like it was my fault even though there was no instruction, process, criteria saying I should do something special. When I asked for specific reasons they only provide vague statements. The only thing concrete they mention is a clause in their rules which states "alternate powered vehicles must request allocation of a suitable class" which is total BS in this case because this event is a regularity where there are no classes. I have only been entering events where the class issue does not apply. They also mention vague concerns about safety and insurance but again there is nothing specific in their rules precluding electric vehicles. I checked before I built the car and I have re-checked when all this landed. Basically they are running scared and don't know how to handle it all, so they are burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will go away. They have said I can have my situation assessed so I can continue to compete. But they don't have a criteria, process, form, contact details. So effectively it is up to someone to wing it. I have been competing under this governing body for 4 years with electric vehicles. I even displayed my car at their expo and yet nobody ever raised concerns. This all hit the fan because every other event is run by individual clubs but this event was run directly by them. So double standards apply. They put their heads in the sand when the clubs allow EVs to compete but its unacceptable if they are running the event. For me this is the worse part. It has now been 6 weeks and yet there has been no communication out to clubs or officials. If it is truly such a safety concern surely they would have the interests of clubs and officials at heart and issue a communication advising them how to handle EV entries. Even if the instruction was not to allow EVs for the interim that would be a step forward. At the moment clubs and officials are running blind and could be liable if they allow an EV to compete and something occurs. The issue has a number of supporters from inside and outside the governing body. It will probably get resolved but certainly not in the short to medium term. My bet is at least 2021. Until then I am dead in the water.
 

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Good to hear you are OK.
Sad to hear about the organisers are fobbing you off, they are obviously scared of the competition rather than any safety issues.
I'm wondering if you can get some support from fellow competitors and /or clubs or the self build EV community, i know there are folks there who might be able to help, maybe Ripperton or the lads at Mighty Car Mods, they did an EV called the blue turd iirc and got some help from local EV enthusiasts with thier rebuild.
Anyway just some food for thought, don't give up and try to keep smiling.
Very best of luck.
 

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Just when I was starting to get on top of things too. I came 3rd outright at my last event and only missed 2nd or 1st by the slimmest of margins. So I was really on the brink of getting the long awaited results. Developing a car from scratch is a drawn out process, particularly when the opportunities to test between adjustments is measured in months.
I haven't given up on the long term, but in the short term I have to give up. Because the chances of short term success against a bureaucracy like this is about 1000 : 1. So I am managing my own expectations in order to maintain some sanity. They do yearly updates to their rule book. So there is no chance of anything changing in time for 2020. Realistically the best outcome would be some provision included for 2021. Competition is the easy part. I have only been entering events where the form of propulsion doesn't impact the classification, so it shouldn't be an issue anyway. But for all the classes that are based on the motor it would be fairly simple to come up with a simple formula to match an EV against the relevant ICE equivalent competitors. So I think their assertion that classification is a driver is a stretch. The reality is they don't know how to deal with the safety aspects. I saw a draft document from them. It is way off the mark. It addresses things that are irrelevant and doesn't address basics like insulation. They do have three statements in their existing rules. One just states alternate powered vehicles must be submitted to allocation to a class (irrelevant for me as I only enter in events where the classes aren't based on the motor), EVs must have a triangular sticker with EV in the middle (I haven't complied with this but would be happy to do so if that were the only blocker) but the funniest one is they say EVs must carry twice the extinguisher capacity (2KG). This is ridiculous as the standard 1KG dry powder extinguishers are useless on an EV so doubling it just highlights their lack of understanding.
I do have support from many fronts including some key people within the governing body. But again they are one of those bureaucracies which move like a glacier. So I am not holding my breath. My only option is to switch to the alternate governing body. But this would mean I will be limited to a very small number of events/venues. This would likely be 2-4 and stifles my plans to try a whole range of other events run under the main governing body. It also means I can't compete within the club that I am am member and president as our events are run under the main governing body.
For the moment I am focused on a significant event at Bathurst (arguably the 2nd best race track in the world) next week. I will be running my 240z for the last time before selling it.
After that I will switch focus to upcoming 2020 events under the alternate governing body. So I should know more in Jan or Feb.
 

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I would strongly suggest getting some support and if you can get involved with the ruling body to offer your help with writing the rules, this will help others in the same boat.
I have had to do this with my hobby for the last 20 or so years in Rc racing and still got pushed out because of lack of support and some health problems.
Believe me, i know how hard it can be but we did have some good wins.
You will need like minded people which will be a huge challenge in itself.
I'm not on here much these days but will pm you my email if you like?
 

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Hi @galderdi
I have finally decide this website is not for me due to the changes made by the new owners, i have spotted your posts on another site and will join that and contact you via there.
Such a shame another once good website has gone downhill.
 
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