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First of all, apologies if this is a bit redundant with another of my posts here: New S60/75 vs Preowned S85: which should I buy?
My point being here to focus on this specific problem of mine.

So, once again, I will be starting next month a long term contract in London which will see me driving there for at least 120 miles each working day.
For Londoners: it will be ~60 miles back and forth between Milton Keynes and Uxbridge/Heathrow, via either M1/M25 or M40 (2 of the most congested highways in the UK, especially at rush hour).

So my rationale is to buy a Model S, either a new base Model with AP2 (got until tomorrow if I go for an S60 and there are still a few inventory models around) or a preowned model with AP1.

I would prefer a new model with AP2 but I'm price sensitive enough to seriously consider a couple of cheaper models with AP1 since AP1 does already pretty much all what I need on congested motorways.

So my big question is twofold:

- First: is the MS going to handle this or am I heading towards a massive bag of hurt? I reckon I will drive at least 35,000 miles per year. I know Bjørn Nyland used to drive that much before breakfast but it doesn't seem to have always been such an easy ride so that clearly concerns me, especially if I buy second hand with a third party.

If I don't go for a new S60, I'm eyeing either a 2014 S85 with 20,000 miles, or a slightly less fancy 2016 S70 with 10,000 miles. Which means that for the S85 the warranty will run out at 50,000 miles, likely before the end of the first year and a bit later for the S70 since it has 10,000 miles less (I also have a couple of options with Tesla's preowned models which would give me a non-extendable 4 years/50,000 miles but that would also run out before end of year 2).

Range is not a problem for me. Any of those will easily be able to handle that distance and charging is a non issue too as I will be either/or charging at home, at work, at a Supercharger near Heathrow or at another one at a 10 min drive from home.

So, yeah, the main concern regarding the car is: will it take it? Especially since the track record in terms of long term/high use doesn't seem to be exactly spotless...

- Second: will "I" take it? The whole idea of buying a Tesla is based on Autopilot being able to ease the pain enough so I can survive a 3h overall drive in dreary conditions + 9 to 10 hours of work as a software engineer at a cool, yet usually demanding company without losing my mind and soul?

To be honest that's the point that scares me the most. I know that AP doesn't make the MS an autonomous car (unfortunately) and before AP2 reaches that level I will probably have moved on to something else anyway so the question is: will the current state of AP will make the daily trip, if not enjoyable, at least bearable enough so I will keep a modicum of health and soul after a few months of that regimen?

I am super torn by those questions, the alternative being renting something local and not seeing my family at all during the week (considering my partner could really use some help at the moment).

And, er, that would also mean not buying the most awesome car ever.

I would hate having to do that.
 

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IMO the alternative of renting would be a non starter. Unless you dislike the family intensely, which clearly you don't, spending time with them is more important than anything else. That also means you need a Tesla .

I don't know what the price differential is between the cars you are looking at but for my money I'd buy a new 60 (or inventory), not least of all for the full warranty during your ownership.

I'm a new owner, only 2k miles under my belt, but I know the type of driving you are looking at doing and don't doubt for a second that AP2 even in its current form will make the journey as enjoyable as possible. TACC alone makes motorway driving far less stressful and AS is pretty damn good most of time too.

Although the 60 finishes any minute if you order you'll still have a fortnight before the order locks in (double check that though).

That's my tuppence worth anyway
 

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In terms of depreciation I suspect a 60 with AP2 would probably cost you less than an older model. I also saw a noticeable difference in trim and build quality between our Dec 2016 Model S and the early 2014 I had from Chargemaster for a week.

I guess the genuinely green people (I am not one of them) would ask why you need to drive? Being on a train at end of day could be less stressful after a hard day work and good train service from MK. Is the idea that you can fund the Model S from "business" mileage and you have been hankering after one ;)

I have no experience, but I suspect except for TACC, Autopilot doesn't really help that much in very congested UK traffic, with cars cutting in, etc, What do those with it think?
 

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I guess the genuinely green people (I am not one of them) would ask why you need to drive? Being on a train at end of day could be less stressful after a hard day work and good train service from MK. Is the idea that you can fund the Model S from "business" mileage and you have been hankering after one ;)
And that's what I've been doing for the past 4 years but if I were to take public transport to get to this new contract location that would take about 2:30-2:45 hours.

One way.

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Q1: will the car take it?
I've got a 2016 MS60D. I do 90 miles/day, mostly on the M4. At 15k miles, the car has been fine - no problems at all.

Q2: will I take it?
Very hard to say. AP does make the drive much easier; I would hate to lose it. I personally don't mind the mileage I do, but my wife says I'm more tired these days than when I took the train to my previous workplace. If you're driving this anyway, a Tesla is probably one of the least stressful ways to do it.

I am super torn by those questions, the alternative being renting something local and not seeing my family at all during the week (considering my partner could really use some help at the moment).
I was a consultant when my family was younger, and I was frequently away a lot during the week. If I had my time again, that's not a choice I would repeat.

I have no experience, but I suspect except for TACC, Autopilot doesn't really help that much in very congested UK traffic, with cars cutting in, etc, What do those with it think?
Actually, I find it fine.
 

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And that's what I've been doing for the past 4 years but if I were to take public transport to get to this new contract location that would take about 2:30-2:45 hours.
Ouch. So not in central London then?
 

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Is there any reason you have to be physically located in the office 5 days a week every week? How about some remote working mixed in say travelling in on the Tuesday, staying at a travelodge etc on Tuesday night and then returning the Wednesday and having the Thursday and Friday as remote working? This way you are about at home more to make up for the odd night away.
 

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Is there any reason you have to be physically located in the office 5 days a week every week? How about some remote working mixed in say travelling in on the Tuesday, staying at a travelodge etc on Tuesday night and then returning the Wednesday and having the Thursday and Friday as remote working? This way you are about at home more to make up for the odd night away.
On my last "long way from home" contract I did 4 days in office and WFH on Wed. That way I was only in hotels for Tue and Thu which was tolerable! Not all companies are open to WFH though...
 

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Q1: will the car take it?
I was a consultant when my family was younger, and I was frequently away a lot during the week. If I had my time again, that's not a choice I would repeat.
Been there done that. Won't do it again if I can prevent it. That would be a bit silly really to resort doing that when I will only be 60 miles away from home (and that would cost me about the same as a monthly repayment on the Tesla anyway).

I don't know what the price differential is between the cars you are looking at but for my money I'd buy a new 60 (or inventory), not least of all for the full warranty during your ownership.
The cheapest preowned one would be the aforementioned S85 and it would cost me about £1,562 per month (I'm aggregating everything transportation related including taxes here).
A new S60 bought as a company car would cost me £1,734. Not an overly massive difference but at the end of an HP repayment the difference would make the S85 £10,000 cheaper than the S60.
Not exactly pocket money so worth taking into consideration.
 

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Is there any reason you have to be physically located in the office 5 days a week every week? How about some remote working mixed in say travelling in on the Tuesday, staying at a travelodge etc on Tuesday night and then returning the Wednesday and having the Thursday and Friday as remote working? This way you are about at home more to make up for the odd night away.
I wish but the client made it clear that I will have to work on their premises and that is definitive, absolute and non negotiable.

And that's not a client I am willing to mess with...
 

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What are the options?

Buy a diesel ice?
Buy a petrol ice?
Use the train?
Rent?
Buy a Tesla?

If your asking that question on here you will get a very biased opinion!!!!:cool::ROFLMAO:

If you are buying any car, then the most relaxing will be the Tesla. No question this side of a Rolls Royce, and probably the other side as well!
 

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If your asking that question on here you will get a very biased opinion!!!!:cool::ROFLMAO:
And I am pretty biased myself anyway and if I can make it work for a Tesla that'd be pretty awesome.

That being said, I do have legitimate concerns about the car costs on the long term with a rather heavy use and even more so that my hope to alleviate the tiredness and stress of such a long daily trip might be misguided.

If I end up still renting something after buying a brand new MS the whole thing would become a pretty silly waste of money (a nice way to waste money admittedly but a massive waste of money nevertheless).
 

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i3 Rex with ACC and traffic jam assist and put the other £1000 a month into the holiday fund?

For the cost of the Tesla you could probably employ a driver...
I have a feeling that AutoSteer will be a lot more than a gimmick for me and the i3 doesn't offer anything similar. So, no AS, same daily mileage, same everything really. Just not as much help as with a MS. Doesn't quite sound like what I'm looking for...

And the price difference between an i3 with ACC and traffic jam assist would be more akin to 500 quid (I did investigate a bit and ruled it out).
The only benefit of an i3 is price really (although it still hardly qualifies as cheap, especially with driving assist options).
 

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The Ioniq Electric has TACC and lane and LKAS (Lane Keep Assist System) and I believe it could do that commute. Obviously a lot cheaper than Model S - Did you consider it and rule out? (Don't get me wrong I would much prefer a Model S)
 

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I suspect the road commute will be closer to 2 hours more often than you would like. Just checked on Google maps and it's in the range 1h 10 - 1h 50 even for a week like this during Easter which will be a bit quieter. That's central milton keynes to central uxbridge. That's setting out at 7am. It's a wide variation too.

Public transport option was showing 90 minutes so I'd definitely double check how long it does take and try a few combinations of driving to a particular rail station if it has a good link to where you need to go as sometimes that can be a lot quicker.
 

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Unfortunately the way every railway line seems to run into central London is a pain when trying to go cross country.

Perhaps you need to rent somewhere for the whole family ...
 

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The Ioniq Electric has TACC and lane and LKAS (Lane Keep Assist System) and I believe it could do that commute. Obviously a lot cheaper than Model S - Did you consider it and rule out? (Don't get me wrong I would much prefer a Model S)
I had actually completely missed out on the Ioniq Electric. For what I can see though same remarks I made about the i3 apply to this one too (and they are priced similarly).
My wife would probably like it for herself though (she's like Hyundai a lot).
 

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I suspect the road commute will be closer to 2 hours more often than you would like. Just checked on Google maps and it's in the range 1h 10 - 1h 50 even for a week like this during Easter which will be a bit quieter. That's central milton keynes to central uxbridge. That's setting out at 7am. It's a wide variation too.

Public transport option was showing 90 minutes so I'd definitely double check how long it does take and try a few combinations of driving to a particular rail station if it has a good link to where you need to go as sometimes that can be a lot quicker.
Add 15 min to get to Wolverton Station (I live north of MK), then Wolverton-Euston, then Euston-Paddington via Circle, then wait for a train to West-Drayton, then 30 min walk or wait for the odd bus that will shave 10 min of the walk if I'm lucky.
Lather, rinse, repeat the other way around in the evening.

Don't know why but strangely enough I would rather do all the driving at a Tesla's wheel instead.

Go figure.
 

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Unfortunately the way every railway line seems to run into central London is a pain when trying to go cross country.

Perhaps you need to rent somewhere for the whole family ...
No can do. I'm not going to move my daughter around when she has settled beautifully in the village's small primary school (and my wife has a permanent role in MK anyway).

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