It needs to be a UK built version, they start around 13/63 plate onwards I think. Avoid ones with the cream interior and electronic parking brake button in center console. You want the black interior with a foot operated parking brake.
Buying Nissan Leaf for V2H, which MY support it?
I'm very tempted to buy a cheap Nissan Leaf 24kWh and get on a V2H trial.
I'll keep my current diesel for medium and long journeys, but I would switch to the Leaf for everyday commuting and shopping.
I have seen old Leafs around 7000-9000 £, but I'm wondering if all models support V2H. The email I got from Indra (they are doing a V2H trial) say you need a Leaf 2013 onwards or an NV200 (any model year I guess). When looking for a second hand Leaf, how do I know if it really supports it? It's not one of those features listed on autotrader and I guess the seller wouldn't know either
I'll keep my current diesel for medium and long journeys, but I would switch to the Leaf for everyday commuting and shopping.
I have seen old Leafs around 7000-9000 £, but I'm wondering if all models support V2H. The email I got from Indra (they are doing a V2H trial) say you need a Leaf 2013 onwards or an NV200 (any model year I guess). When looking for a second hand Leaf, how do I know if it really supports it? It's not one of those features listed on autotrader and I guess the seller wouldn't know either
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I'd fully agree with all of this, and would emphasise the 'trial' element. The Indra offering isn't a fully ready-for-market product with all the reliability/support which would come with something like that. What they're running is essentially a data-gathering exercise to develop best practices, design and market research for what will be the real mass market product - a V2X charger that's CCS compatible. Once they have that, then the market opens up fully, and they will potentially no longer produce the Chademo units. And at the point they move to focus on CCS, there's zero guarantee of support/repairs for your old trial unit. And that could happen within the next 2-3 years, in fact it is likely. You're still left with a usable car, but the £1600 plus £500 (approx for the secondary charger if you don't already have one) will not get you a reliable return on investment if it develops a fault etc.That's pessimistic, in my view.
1. Typical Leaf SOH decline is about 5% in the first year and 1 to 2% for each year thereafter. There is partly determined by usage and partly by age: even if you did exceptionally low mileage you would not escape most of the decline, and there are some very high mileage Leafs around that haven't suffered much more than average. 5% annual loss for any year other than the first would be exceptionally high for UK Leafs.
2. There's some evidence that, when certain conditions are met, V2X usage actually reduces battery decline, as shown in a University of Warwick study. To simplify, the idea is that there is an optimum zone for SOC -- neither too high nor too low -- where battery decline is minimised, and some V2X usage patterns increase the amount of time the battery spends in this 'Goldilocks' zone.
That said, this is a trial exactly because there are many unknowns, and the exact extent of battery depreciation is one of them. The quid pro quo is that, in exchange for taking a punt, you get a V2H charger (and type 2 charge point) at about half the normal retail price.
Kind regards
- Garry
So go for the trial if you're into advancing technology, being an early adopter etc etc, but if your primary concern is saving money, a home battery is by far a more sure-thing than the Indra trial.
I'd probably do it if I had a fairly healthy LEAF 30 personally, but not with a heavily degraded 24 - as you say, you're basically just going to be without a reasonably-functioning car most of the time. Could work if your mileage is extremely low and you only do short trips, or you had a second car.Your case is much different to the OP if you would be using a 62kWh battery. I too wouldn't think twice about getting the indra charger if I had that battery capacity available. I would be able to power the whole house all the time and still have plenty of charge for driving. The payback time would be halved for the charger and you would have the peace of mind of the battery warranty. Using a 24kWh Leaf just doesn't make sense to me unless you treat it only as a home battery and never drive anywhere.
That actually sounds like a fair use case! As long as you're happy with all the 'trial' caveats people have mentioned. I.e. the small chance you're left with a big ugly charger on your wall that doesn't do anything after 2 years.The farthest I drive is 9miles (18 miles return) and it’s only 2 or 3 times a week; my daily home energy consumption is 8kWh
I’m pretty sure it would be enough
Also, on the days I need the car, it would be unplugged fully (or 80%) charged in the morning before it has time to discharge into the house
If I need it in the evening, it would be to drive 2 miles into the town centre and back
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