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BZ4X has no steering rack, it's steer-by-wire.
This features also allows yoke to work on BZ4X while Tesla failed with their low-tech yoke.
At low speeds, BZ4X same yoke travel gives larger wheel angle change, so you don't need to drive like you're trying to catch a flying boomerang.

I'm not going to defend Toyota's design, it has some things I like, some I don't, I don't really care, I just know this will sell.
Calling it horrible makes you sound like drama queen and I wonder how you can survive driving a Soul which has probably one of worst interior and exterior designs of current EV's.


Tesla is starting to get seriously behind traditional car makers and design for sake of originality coming at expense of safety.


He he!

I was never referring to the mechanics of how the steering works. I was referring to the assault on the eyes going on around the drivers line of vision. Why would you think a discussion about aesthetics would refer to the steering tech?

The Soul has an exterior design that is marmite. I'll give you that. There is not much fence setting with it, you either love it or hate it. I love it.

The interior is a little dated. I'll give you that as well. But no way is it as fugly as the BZ4X. Not having that.
 

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BZ4X has no steering rack, it's steer-by-wire.
This features also allows yoke to work on BZ4X while Tesla failed with their low-tech yoke.
At low speeds, BZ4X same yoke travel gives larger wheel angle change, so you don't need to drive like you're trying to catch a flying boomerang.

I'm not going to defend Toyota's design, it has some things I like, some I don't, I don't really care, I just know this will sell.
Calling it horrible makes you sound like drama queen and I wonder how you can survive driving a Soul which has probably one of worst interior and exterior designs of current EV's.


Tesla is starting to get seriously behind traditional car makers and design for sake of originality coming at expense of safety.


I could be wrong here but they don't come steer by wire as standard.

They will all be conventional with the round wheel and physical connection apart from the highest spec model which has the yoke version which is steer by wire.

All the official marketing images apart from the concepts have the normal wheel.

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As a designer they could have done literally anything with steer by wire tech if it was a dedicated platform but instead it resembles something from the 80s and sharing the platform with the conventional steer system.
 

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pretty quick
It's quick but not that quick for an EV.

At the price point of the AWD you can pick up an ID.4 GTX that will do under six seconds 0-60 and EV6 AWD that'll do under five second 0-60.

I remember the Carwow vid where Matt launched it and it was 4.8 seconds.

If it was in the 3-4 second range like the EV6 GT then I'd say it's quick, and excellent value/performance wise around the 50 grand region forgetting how it looks.

It's nippy enough for the type of customer who might have this on their shortlist.
 

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could be wrong here but they don't come steer by wire as standard.

They will all be conventional with the round wheel and physical connection apart from the highest spec model which has the yoke version which is steer by wire.

All the official marketing images apart from the concepts have the normal wheel.
Following up on what I've read the steer by wire / yoke is going to be available as a top spec in Chinese markets. Aka guinea pig spec.

Does anyone know if steer by wire without mechanical failsafe is allowed on UK roads?
 

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The black trim does slightly make me want to rock in the corner.

I will admit I hate black plastic trim more than the average person. There's no excuses on £40k+ cars.

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At least plastic seems to be aligned with rest of body, not like some manufacturers where car looks like 5 year old did jigsaw puzzle.
You don't see this in Japan even on $10k Kei cars.
After few days, I would get serious OCPD issues if my car was like this, I would feel scammed.





Plastic looks better than flaky chrome that comes off after few months.

I guess the market will decide they like plastic or not, seems matt or glossy according to trim level, but when I see things like below, maybe owners will prefer plastic better
than rust?
 

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At least plastic seems to be aligned with rest of body, not like some manufacturers where car looks like 5 year old did jigsaw puzzle.
You don't see this in Japan even on $10k Kei cars.
After few days, I would get serious OCPD issues if my car was like this, I would feel scammed.





Plastic looks better than flaky chrome that comes off after few months.

I guess the market will decide they like plastic or not, seems matt or glossy according to trim level, but when I see things like below, maybe owners will prefer plastic better
than rust?
Sorry, I’ve seen my share of rusty Prius’ with wonky bodywork.
 

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At least plastic seems to be aligned with rest of body, not like some manufacturers where car looks like 5 year old did jigsaw puzzle.
You don't see this in Japan even on $10k Kei cars.
After few days, I would get serious OCPD issues if my car was like this, I would feel scammed.





Plastic looks better than flaky chrome that comes off after few months.

I guess the market will decide they like plastic or not, seems matt or glossy according to trim level, but when I see things like below, maybe owners will prefer plastic better
than rust?
You're seriously suggesting that plastic cars are better because of the potential for metal to rust or panel gaps?

How many cars have you actually seen get rusty after a few months or flake off the paint? What cars are these are they hypothetical or real?

Sure if you don't keep a car protected it'll go rusty after 10, 20, 30+ years that most people accept.

Even if hypothetically your new £11k Dacia Sandero and the paint flaked off after months or went rusty you would get it returned. It's not an acceptable thing and the solution isn't well if it had plastic parts that wouldn't be a problem. That's a manufacturing defect.
 

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You're seriously suggesting that plastic cars are better because of the potential for metal to rust or panel gaps?

How many cars have you actually seen get rusty after a few months or flake off the paint? What cars are these are they hypothetical or real?

Sure if you don't keep a car protected it'll go rusty after 10, 20, 30+ years that most people accept.

Even if hypothetically your new £11k Dacia Sandero and the paint flaked off after months or went rusty you would get it returned. It's not an acceptable thing and the solution isn't well if it had plastic parts that wouldn't be a problem. That's a manufacturing defect.
It is actually very typical Toyota mindset, reliability over anything else. Some like their way like a cult, but like certain Tesla and apple fan

Toyota use the same engine and gear box for over 3 or 4 generations of Corolla for the reason they claim “reliability”, new bodywork every generation of cause they need something to justify their price hike each generation.
Toyota use to be a great brand, I still remember in the 90s, we need something to combat the Western gain like Ford Escort, Porsche, BMW M, MB AMG etc.
So we have proudly introduced the world Celica, RX series, Supra, NSX and GT-R. Honda keep on the legacy of type R, Nissan carryon giving use Fairlady Z, Mazda on blink of bankruptcy but reborn with Zoom Zoom, Toyota one of the biggest giant start the hybrid legacy but stop moving forward and become very conservative.

Now Nissan is the leader of EV in Japanese domestic car manufacturer, Mazda have those skyactiv technology, Toyota try to lobby slowing down the uptake of EV…The great success in late 90s early 00s seem to pull Toyota astray.
 

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It's like Toyota went back to 2010/11 when there were no BEV's on the road, and took no notice of what the competition was doing (there was none) and just though that'll do, slap a Toyota badge on it, and spend bajillions on marketing it to idiots who will believe anything they read.

Perhaps in 7-8 years they'll have something better, or perhaps they'll have a solid state battery by then in a golf cart. :ROFLMAO:
 

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It's like Toyota went back to 2010/11 when there were no BEV's on the road, and took no notice of what the competition was doing (there was none) and just though that'll do, slap a Toyota badge on it, and spend bajillions on marketing it to idiots who will believe anything they read.

Perhaps in 7-8 years they'll have something better, or perhaps they'll have a solid state battery by then in a golf cart. :ROFLMAO:
They'll do a Nokia and stop making cars.
 
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