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Hello,

I'm a complete newbie to EVs. We haven't got one yet, but I am trying to assess the viability to us. We don't have a driveway, but we have a parking space just on the other side of our garden fence. It's in a shared car park, but it's marked as our land on the deeds. Is it possible to run electrics (presumably armoured) around the inside of the fence and then going through the fence and attaching the charging unit on the other side? I guess we'd have to run it on the ground just inside our gate too.

If it is possible what kind of costs are we looking at?

Thanks so much!

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Hello,

I'm a complete newbie to EVs. We haven't got one yet, but I am trying to assess the viability to us. We don't have a driveway, but we have a parking space just on the other side of our garden fence. It's in a shared car park, but it's marked as our land on the deeds. Is it possible to run electrics (presumably armoured) around the inside of the fence and then going through the fence and attaching the charging unit on the other side? I guess we'd have to run it on the ground just inside our gate too.

If it is possible what kind of costs are we looking at?

Thanks so much!

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I suspect the more knowledgeable forum members will have something to say about laying your cable "along the ground", I respectfully leave it to them to comment further
 

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I suspect the more knowledgeable forum members will have something to say about laying your cable "run it on the ground", I respectfully leave it to them to comment further
 

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Your best bet would probably be to dig a trench between meter cupboard and charger location, but this would mean digging through your patio.

If you had a garden wall rather than a fence you could attach the cable to the wall, but most garden fences are not really strong / permanent enough.

You could attach the charger to a fence post if strong enough, otherwise you could attach it to a dedicated waist high post.

Or you could just mount the charger on the house wall by your meter, and just run the cable from charger to car across the garden when you want to charge.
 

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If you don't want to dig under the patio, if there's room in the meter box, the supply can be split there, and run a cable from there along the wall and fence
 

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If you don't want to dig under the patio, if there's room in the meter box, the supply can be split there, and run a cable from there along the wall and fence
I believe the regs say the cable must be attached to a 'permanent structure' - might be difficult to argue a fence is a permanent structure?

Concrete posts + concrete kickboards + featheredge planks and Arris rails might be possible to argue, wood posts + fence panels almost certainly not.
 

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I believe the regs say the cable must be attached to a 'permanent structure' - might be difficult to argue a fence is a permanent structure?

Concrete posts + concrete kickboards + featheredge planks and Arris rails might be possible to argue, wood posts + fence panels almost certainly not.
Or bury it along inside the fence line - the point was to run from the meter cupboard to avoid digging the patio.
 

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Cable for ours runs along a wooden roof structure over the patio, buried along the garden wall, lays loose behind the neighbours shed, runs along a fence that has the charger mounted on it. Apart from the fence these are all sturdy structures that will be around some time. the area of loose laid cable is something I’m not happy with and will sort out at some point (probably not)

A lot depends on who you get to do the work. Many electricians are pragmatic about this sort of thing. As soon as you have a non-standard installation it’s worth consulting with a local electrician familiar with evse installation. I used a local company who specialise in pv, heat pumps and ev chargers. This cost me more but was painless.
 

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Personally, I would plan to split the mains feed from the meter using Henley blocks and attach the mains cable low down along the house wall off to the right, around the corner and on to just left of the gas meter. I would then fix the car charger unit on the wall there. And use a socket version EVSE in this instance although I much prefer the tethered version.

If the scale of the drawing is accurate it can only be 3 metres to the fence from there. A 10-metre seperate type 2 to type 2 cable would easily reach from there to the car parking space. And would reach the car's charge flap wherever it was positioned, either parked nose in or nose out, as appropriate.

Perhaps it would also need a small framed hole or flap cutting in the fence to post the plug and cable through, and also adjustments made to the planting of the flower bed to remove a few plants and fix a couple of stepping stones leading to that fence hole. On the other hand, if the fence is quite low it might be acceptable to drape the cable over there.

That would turn this installation into an easy standard quote fix with no extra groundwork or trenching. But it would entail having a cable trailing across the lawn overnight when charging, which may or may not be a problem with some people.
 

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I believe the regs say the cable must be attached to a 'permanent structure' - might be difficult to argue a fence is a permanent structure?

Concrete posts + concrete kickboards + featheredge planks and Arris rails might be possible to argue, wood posts + fence panels almost certainly not.

Both our charge points are mounted on wooden posts, no issue at all as far as the regs go. Same goes for cables, nothing at all wrong with clipping cables to timber fences, as long as the right type of cable is used. SWA is fine clipped direct to a timber fence, but my preference would be to run NYY-J inside galvanised conduit, as this would give the cable even more physical protection than if SWA was used, plus it usually looks neater as it will be dead straight (hard to clip SWA so that it is absolutely straight).

If there were regs about cables not being allowed on timber posts we would not have any electricity supplies, as almost all the LV grid is run on timber poles.
 

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Personally, I would plan to split the mains feed from the meter using Henley blocks and attach the mains cable low down along the house wall off to the right, around the corner and on to just left of the gas meter. I would then fix the car charger unit on the wall there. And use a socket version EVSE in this instance although I much prefer the tethered version.

If the scale of the drawing is accurate it can only be 3 metres to the fence from there. A 10-metre seperate type 2 to type 2 cable would easily reach from there to the car parking space. And would reach the car's charge flap wherever it was positioned, either parked nose in or nose out, as appropriate.

Perhaps it would also need a small framed hole or flap cutting in the fence to post the plug and cable through, and also adjustments made to the planting of the flower bed to remove a few plants and fix a couple of stepping stones leading to that fence hole. On the other hand, if the fence is quite low it might be acceptable to drape the cable over there.

That would turn this installation into an easy standard quote fix with no extra groundwork or trenching. But it would entail having a cable trailing across the lawn overnight when charging, which may or may not be a problem with some people.
The suggestion in this case of a flap or hole through the fence is excellent👍
 

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Personally, I would plan to split the mains feed from the meter using Henley blocks and attach the mains cable low down along the house wall off to the right, around the corner and on to just left of the gas meter. I would then fix the car charger unit on the wall there. And use a socket version EVSE in this instance although I much prefer the tethered version.

If the scale of the drawing is accurate it can only be 3 metres to the fence from there. A 10-metre seperate type 2 to type 2 cable would easily reach from there to the car parking space. And would reach the car's charge flap wherever it was positioned, either parked nose in or nose out, as appropriate.

Perhaps it would also need a small framed hole or flap cutting in the fence to post the plug and cable through, and also adjustments made to the planting of the flower bed to remove a few plants and fix a couple of stepping stones leading to that fence hole. On the other hand, if the fence is quite low it might be acceptable to drape the cable over there.

That would turn this installation into an easy standard quote fix with no extra groundwork or trenching. But it would entail having a cable trailing across the lawn overnight when charging, which may or may not be a problem with some people.
+1 for this. Andersen do a nice (expensive) tethered unit where the cable is hidden inside when not in use, and an 8.5m cable is an option. That would give the convenience of a tethered with the tidiness of a socketed unit.
 
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Both our charge points are mounted on wooden posts, no issue at all as far as the regs go. Same goes for cables, nothing at all wrong with clipping cables to timber fences, as long as the right type of cable is used. SWA is fine clipped direct to a timber fence, but my preference would be to run NYY-J inside galvanised conduit, as this would give the cable even more physical protection than if SWA was used, plus it usually looks neater as it will be dead straight (hard to clip SWA so that it is absolutely straight).

If there were regs about cables not being allowed on timber posts we would not have any electricity supplies, as almost all the LV grid is run on timber poles.
I was referring to wooden posts in terms of the 'typical' garden fence with posts fitted to hammered in spikes and clipped in larch lap panels that rattle in the breeze, rather than ones that have been properly / permanently installed.
 

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I have a similar issue with my install, parking space at foot of back garden on the other side of a fence, fortunately along the side of the garden is a brick wall so that's what the charger would be mounted to. My CU however is at the front of the house so the cable run is longer than yours. The problem for me has been getting someone who's interested in doing it, it's all well and good people saying it should be possible etc but I can't seem to get past the 'can you quote me' stage, they'll ask for pictures and once sent they either don't reply or say they can't do it.
 

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I have a similar issue with my install, parking space at foot of back garden on the other side of a fence, fortunately along the side of the garden is a brick wall so that's what the charger would be mounted to. My CU however is at the front of the house so the cable run is longer than yours. The problem for me has been getting someone who's interested in doing it, it's all well and good people saying it should be possible etc but I can't seem to get past the 'can you quote me' stage, they'll ask for pictures and once sent they either don't reply or say they can't do it.
Probably best to do the cable install yourself ( or at the very least an open trench) and then get in a sparky. YOU will have to project manage.
 

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I was referring to wooden posts in terms of the 'typical' garden fence with posts fitted to hammered in spikes and clipped in larch lap panels that rattle in the breeze, rather than ones that have been properly / permanently installed.

Still not a problem at all as far as the regs are concerned. Take a look at BS7671:2018 and tell me where there is anything that says such an installation is not allowed. I can tell you for certain that there is no such regulation at all, and could not be, as there are loads of examples of cables fixed to timber structures in the UK, all perfectly OK as far as the regs go. As another example, our entire house is built from timber and timber clad. It is wired normally, with all the cables clipped to timber and complies 100% with the 17th Edition (which was what was extant at the time I wired it). Both our charge points are mounted on 100mm square ordinary timber fence posts that are set into those metal ground spikes and they are both fully compliant with the 18th Edition.
 

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Probably best to do the cable install yourself ( or at the very least an open trench) and then get in a sparky. YOU will have to project manage.
I don't need a trench, there is a brick wall running the length of the garden which the cable can be clipped to, the problem is getting the cable from the CU at the front of the house to the rear. I am mid terrace so the cable needs to go through the house somewhere... I've had various suggestions which I have echoed when asking for quotes but no interest so far
 

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I would trench out to a pole mounted charger at the end of the garden, and cut a hole in the fence to access it.
 

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I don't need a trench, there is a brick wall running the length of the garden which the cable can be clipped to, the problem is getting the cable from the CU at the front of the house to the rear. I am mid terrace so the cable needs to go through the house somewhere... I've had various suggestions which I have echoed when asking for quotes but no interest so far
Do you have a basement or sub floor ?
 
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