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Hello. First post here. Please forgive a newbie question! First EV.

I'm looking at these Zoes:

100KW i R135 50KWh Rapid Charge Auto Iconic, and
100KW i R135 50KWh Rapid Charge Auto GT Line

Am I right in thinking that they can charge at 7-22kW AC via Type 2, and 50 kW DC via any CCS.

References to Zoe's not being compatible with the Instavolt network don't apply to this model with Rapid Charge?

I also see references to 43kW charging. Where does that come into it? Or is it from a previous model.

Trying to work out if this would be a practical car do take trips from Newcastle to the Lake District (200-270 mile round trip depending on exact destination) without undue hanging around. I'm not likely to find destination charging where I go (cheap campsites and parking in laybys for the day). Having looked at Zap Map, there appears to be just enough rapid charging (a 45 min boost in Booths in Keswick), a couple of Ecotricity on the M6 home.

I think in the Summer I could get away with little or no charging. In the winter, or when going a bit deeper into the Lakes, I would need at least one.

According to EV Database, it suggests a real world range of 165 miles in winter. Rapid charging to 80% (132 miles) - is that comfortable for a 100 mile journey?

I think I'm eventually holding out for a Kona or e-Niro, where the longer range and 80kW charging will make it a lot easier, but I might be an old man before they become available. I want to get the EV ball rolling.

Thanks in advance for any tips.
 

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All ze50s will have type 2 AC as std able to charge at up to 22kW, if you take the CCS option too you will get DC charging up to 50kW.
The 43kW you mention are the current Rapid charge Zoe's
 

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Correct. The new Zoe has CCS DC charging up to 50kW, and keeps the upto 22kW AC charging.

The 43kW was the fast AC charger on the previous 'Q' model.

I wouldn't bank on it getting 200+ miles on long motor journeys. Particularly in the colder months. Based on some preliminary videos, the 50kW CCS means it would take around an hour to get from 10-80%. That means you will probably likely need a charge midway, and then probably another charge to give you enough to get anywhere once you arrive, as you likely be on low charge again.

Difficult to say with any certainty though, as there aren't many around yet!

Edit: Oh sorry just seen it was a 200mile round trip! Yea it will be fine with 100miles. Just need a way to charge it nearby to give you charge to use it once you arrive
 

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Thanks for the replies so far. Glad to see it has 22kW and 50kW options.

Oh sorry just seen it was a 200mile round trip! Yea it will be fine with 100miles. Just need a way to charge it nearby to give you charge to use it once you arrive
I was hoping to do the whole 200 mile trip with little or no charging - at least in summer. There's unlikely to be any destination charging where I'm going. There's fast chargers in Keswick and Ambleside that could probably fit into my usual routine half of the time, but I'd rather not have to plan on it for every single trip.

Do people commonly stop at a fast charger just for 10 or 15 minutes if that's all that's necessary to get home?
 

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Do people commonly stop at a fast charger just for 10 or 15 minutes if that's all that's necessary to get home?
Yeah, its called a splash and dash (y)
 

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Correct. The new Zoe has CCS DC charging up to 50kW, and keeps the upto 22kW AC charging.

The 43kW was the fast AC charger on the previous 'Q' model.

I wouldn't bank on it getting 200+ miles on long motor journeys. Particularly in the colder months. Based on some preliminary videos, the 50kW CCS means it would take around an hour to get from 10-80%. That means you will probably likely need a charge midway, and then probably another charge to give you enough to get anywhere once you arrive, as you likely be on low charge again.

Difficult to say with any certainty though, as there aren't many around yet!

Edit: Oh sorry just seen it was a 200mile round trip! Yea it will be fine with 100miles. Just need a way to charge it nearby to give you charge to use it once you arrive
i have found those rapid charge times, stated on website , based on worse case senario. after driving 30 miles, battery should be warmed up, i rapid charged a nissan leaf in 25 mins from 19% to 90%
 

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i have found those rapid charge times, stated on website , based on worse case senario. after driving 30 miles, battery should be warmed up, i rapid charged a nissan leaf in 25 mins from 19% to 90%
I think unfortunately because of the battery density and that its only forced air cooled the times will be pretty accurate, maybe a bit faster than real world if you check out TeslaBjorns videos. He's tested Zoe in warm conditions and cold and it didn't charge at 50kW at any time. Low 40's, 44? to be expected.
 

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similar to the leaf. low to mid 40s. no aircooling though, we shall see indeed. i find when i drive home , 70miles, and plug in straight away to the 22kw charger , my Ze 40 is full after an hour or so.
 

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At this time of year in the Uk driving at around 65-70 mph for over 50 miles got my zoe temperature up to 24c
going slower than 60 mph for the same distance the battey hardly gets warm enough for a really fast charge on my Q90.
 

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Ze50 on CCS will peak at 45kW regardless of the battery temperature or outside temperature; the battery management system functions differently than in other EVs (lower peak charge rate, but consistent).

In a different thread, someone recommended A Better Routeplanner but I have not tried it myself; the website has a lot of variables you can account for in your route planning.
 
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