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Posted in a few threads about a possible PCP purchase of Leaf or Zoe. I now have another dilemma in the form of the above.

I went to look at a C Zero a couple of weeks back and have noticed it has been reduced again. I assume the dealers must be desperate to sell, as it had only just, been reduced when I viewed it the last time. Looking at it, I could possibly pick it up for 6.5k (maybe less if really, really cheeky) and it's only got 4.5k on the clock. Main issue would be the Missus driving it, not so much the size, as she wanted a little run around. Big problem would be the heating and de misting of the windows, I will get it in the neck if it's that much of a problem. So trying to find out, is it really that bad? We had a test drive in the Leaf, so she has that experience to compare the C zero against (another worry).

Financially it seems like a no brainer, we will own the car and battery instead of a couple of years of PCP and a cost of roughly 5k. We will also get a 12 month guarantee just in case anything go's wrong on initial purchase.
 

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Posted in a few threads about a possible PCP purchase of Leaf or Zoe. I now have another dilemma in the form of the above.

I went to look at a C Zero a couple of weeks back and have noticed it has been reduced again. I assume the dealers must be desperate to sell, as it had only just, been reduced when I viewed it the last time. Looking at it, I could possibly pick it up for 6.5k (maybe less if really, really cheeky) and it's only got 4.5k on the clock. Main issue would be the Missus driving it, not so much the size, as she wanted a little run around. Big problem would be the heating and de misting of the windows, I will get it in the neck if it's that much of a problem. So trying to find out, is it really that bad? We had a test drive in the Leaf, so she has that experience to compare the C zero against (another worry).

Financially it seems like a no brainer, we will own the car and battery instead of a couple of years of PCP and a cost of roughly 5k. We will also get a 12 month guarantee just in case anything go's wrong on initial purchase.
Hi Tony, a few questions…….
What sort of mileage does she do and at what type of speeds?
How many people in the car?
Do you have off road parking?
Is she ok with the idea of going out of the cars range?
If she is is she ok with charging and the problems connected with that?
 

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Hi Andy,

Both retired, so smallish mileage (max 6k). She drives at normal speeds i.e. Whatever the road dictates but, normally 70mph on dual carriageway. (think that may be a problem). Although she won't be doing any long journeys to test the range extremes, as we will have another car (ICE:oops:). May be the odd occasion to have three passengers in the car but, won't be the norm.

We already have a charger fitted to the garage, so no problems that end.
 

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Hi Andy,

Both retired, so smallish mileage (max 6k). She drives at normal speeds i.e. Whatever the road dictates but, normally 70mph on dual carriageway. (think that may be a problem). Although she won't be doing any long journeys to test the range extremes, as we will have another car (ICE:oops:). May be the odd occasion to have three passengers in the car but, won't be the norm.

We already have a charger fitted to the garage, so no problems that end.
Can't see a problem with the C Zero then. It is a more basic car but as long as you stay under 50 mile a day you should never suffer with range anxiety. Ps the car soulds like a very cheap way to drive.
 

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Thanks Andy, but, any info on the heating and misting window problems? If they are bad they may be a show stopper and worried I won't get to find out on a short test drive:(
 

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Thanks Andy, but, any info on the heating and misting window problems? If they are bad they may be a show stopper and worried I won't get to find out on a short test drive:(
I am afraid you will need to wait for a C-Zero owner on the full story. All I would say is if you are not going far then turn the heating upto full and enjoy the car as it does not have that much of an effect on range.
 

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It all depends. We have had ours nearly three weeks and barely used the heater. I've bought two heated seats that plug into the cigar lighter via a splitter I already had and they use about 40W.

I'm off to work at 0500 tomorrow and it looks cold. I'll let you know tomorrow what effect a trip with full heater has on range....

But that price is a steal and a grand less than we paid. I think the dealers don't know what to do with them.
 

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Where we live doesn't get cold often, but can be very humid. We almost never use the heater, as most of our trips are within the range from one charge, so we're only in the car fro around ½ hour at a time. Re. condensation/misting of windows, we wipe the inside of the windscreen with a tea towel, then use the aircon without heat to clear the remaining misting. Once clear, keeping the fan on a lower setting is usually enough to keep the screen clear. The aircon alone seems not to have much effect on the range.
I have no experience of any other EV, but not having access to the incredible amount of heat an ICE kicks out does have it's disadvantages. I would think other EV's in the same climatic conditions would have similar misting problems.
A very long time ago I used to use a gel on the inside of my 2CV's windscreen called Crystal Blue to prevent misting. I think it was meant for wearers of glasses, but a 2CV windscreen is very small and it worked well. I'm not sure if there is a modern equivalent.
 

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Thanks Guy's, will look into the car a little more but, it will have to wait a couple of days. Playing golf tomorrow :) but, worse still, on a speed awareness course on Wed:(
 

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Not sure which is the worse punishment, the course or the golf (course) ;-)
 

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Ha ha.....I had a speed awareness course recently too...

Right. Icy morning, and had to scrape the screen. Dead easy as there isn't a bonnet in the way !...Had heater on for a good five minutes to take chill off and demist the screen

The car was fully charged and range fell from 72 miles to 36 (!) According to the display in the dash. Switched the heater off when warm but kept fan on to blow over screen. I reckon the it took about 5 miles off the range, but ill get a better idea when back home.

It's also rather car like in that it doesn't do much until after a couple of minutes use. As it heats the water in the heater system.it mimics an internal combustion car as the coolant needs to warm.
Heater output isn't startling but it did enough when I had it on. The car is small so it doesn't have to work really hard to make a difference.
 

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The range remaining does drop alarmingly when you put the heater on but as you discovered you get most of it back again when you turn the heat down. AC takes about 3 miles off range whilst it's running but might cost a mile.

We find putting the C-Zero in the garage overnight really pays off as we don't have to scrape icy windows or faff around with condensation on the outside in the morning.

We are also in the habit of only using the heater if it's really essential and then for a few minutes until the screen clears. Having the driver's window open a crack really helps to prevent the worst condensation caused by exhaled moisture.

@Tony Wright – I'd advise against driving a C-Zero at 70 mph – speeds above 55 mph really hammer the range due to the car's brick-like aerodynamics. And it doesn't add much to journey times.

It takes a bit of practice to get into the habit of keeping the needle on the eco gauge in the green section most of the time but it's worth doing to maximise range.
 

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Little bit of ice on the windscreen this morning. Gilet, fleecy jacket, and a beanie hat this morning - no heater usage. To Bodmin Parkway and back - 40 miles - 11 boxes - no different from usual usage for that trip. Included short diversion to check whether the rapid at Cornwall Services is live yet - no it isn't.
 

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The C-Zero works well if you need a runabout, but it is not a Leaf. The range is 60 in my experience unless you seriously hyper mile or are doing 25mph. The car does have a condensation problem, but the heater/aircon can sort that (at the cost of 10 miles or so range). If the size and limited range work for you and you spend some time learning how to get the best from it then it can be great. You will probably really wish the car had pre-heat on frosty mornings, but I find a five minute heater blast before setting off (started manually, and after disconnecting the charger as the heater only blows cold when on charge!) will use up no more than 2 or 3 miles or range. This does means the winter range can be as low as 40 miles.
 

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The C-Zero works well if you need a runabout, but it is not a Leaf. The range is 60 in my experience unless you seriously hyper mile or are doing 25mph. The car does have a condensation problem, but the heater/aircon can sort that (at the cost of 10 miles or so range). If the size and limited range work for you and you spend some time learning how to get the best from it then it can be great. You will probably really wish the car had pre-heat on frosty mornings, but I find a five minute heater blast before setting off (started manually, and after disconnecting the charger as the heater only blows cold when on charge!) will use up no more than 2 or 3 miles or range. This does means the winter range can be as low as 40 miles.
I've got a Peugeot iOn which is the same car as the C Zero and MiEV, I'd 100% agree with Matt on what he has said above
 

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Thank you very much for all the advice.

Really want the Leaf but the C Zero makes you think about the financial side. Although told today that my Nephews, mates, Dad, doesn't want to give me his code:( (strange really as he will get £500 in his pay packet just before Xmas but, Hey Ho) so the Nissan PCP is up in the air. Will possibly make arrangements to go and drive the Zero on Friday:cool:
 

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Though I would ring up about organising the test drive on the Zero but checked the garage forecourt prices first. Car was @ 7.5k two weeks ago, then reduced to 7k beginning of this week and now @7.9k:confused: Looks like I'll give it a miss now and keep fingers crossed that one of the Nissan contacts come through.
 

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They must be reading this and thinking that demand is going up !
I don't think the trade have a clue. We saw c zeros and ions for owowt between 7k and 13k for essentially the same condition car.

Ours from a non ev specialist but citroen franchised dealer was 9k, they reduced it to 8k, and after some haggling we got it for 7.5.

They also provided us with a level 2 charging cable as well as the 'mains adaptor'. ...we spotted it in the boot and they didn't take it out. So that was another 150 quid saved.

Make them an offer !

Don't forget that with a c zero/ion/imiev you own the car outright. No lease charge for batteries.

That may or may not be a good thing.....time will tell.... but there's no 70 quid a month ongoing contract....
 
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