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This is the Dacia version of the Chinese Renault City K-ZE.



I suspect the discrepancy between 168 miles range for the K-ZE & 124 miles for the Dacia in the Driving Electric article to be the difference between NEDC & WLTP, rather than a smaller battery as they suggest.
 

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Seems to be a race for lowest range EV now.... strange switch around from the last few years. Yes there is a market for shorter range EVs, and yes there is a market for a small SUV style vehicle, but selling this car the the regular public will be a struggle. I can see someone who owned a first 1 gen Leaf of Zoe and who lived in the city seeing this a good replacement. But for general public.... it'll probably do poorly.
 

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Yes the battery is smaller than the Leaf 30 and hardly bigger than the almost decade old Gen 1 Leaf or original Zoe!
 

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Given that the national annual average mileage is under 7000 or 140 miles a week why is that? Yes there are some road warriors doing 30000 but for most it should be fine. Rather than the mean average a median figure would be very interesting.
Perhaps the mentality of the town dweller who self justifies driving a huge 4x4 all year because they tow a caravan once a year.
 

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Just look at sales of short range EVs vs longer range EVs and you'll get your answer. Many people have variability in their driving profiles so a single average is misleading. People don't want longer trips to take hours extra and you also need to factor in battery degradation over time as well much lower winter range.
 

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Yup its mainly down the fear even though their real usage is low. I'm seeing that even when discussing the MG EV, why buy that when you can buy an e-Niro with double the range, why indeed! Well 1. i don't have the extra £10k it would take, and 2. I really don't need that range, even my long trips will be covered fine with 160miles, I usually stop for pee stops long before then (when you've got young kids its inevitable).

As for the battery being barely bigger than a Mk1 Zoe, is the 26kWh usable or raw... if its raw then its probably the same 22kWh usable the Mk1 had. Just in a much smaller (denser) cheaper pack. And yet its £15k which it real terms makes it more expensive than the MK1 Zoe when the i model was introduced.
 

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Teeny weeny range.

The Duster was incredibly cheap at launch - it looks like the only way to drive down the cost of these cars at present is by putting in a smaller battery. Bit annoying. To draw people away from mega cheap, horrifically polluting SUVs, cheap vehicles like this are great - but the range will nark a lot of people off.
 

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HUF 3,990,000
include 21% rebate.
HUF 5,050,632
includes VAT 27%
HUF 3,976,876.
=
£10240.22
+20% vat
12,288.264‬
-£3500 rebate

8,788.264 <!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this right?!

even at 60% deprication your looking at ~1757 a year

assuming 11mpl (love british standards ) ,4mpk, £0.15 per kwh and £1.30/litre and £200 on road tax, MOT and repairs.

you need to spend £2,2511.29 on fuel
1931.76 litres
21K miles for a FREE CAR.

you could plug in lower deprication,lower MPG, lower £/kwh , higher repairs etc and that number goes down significantly.

it could be free for 5500 miles.

off course this is entirely dependent on Dacia actually selling the car for this price.
 

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Basically on the India only Dacia Kwid. Tiny, low range, 1* NCAP it'll sell well..... to no one!
 

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Strange how some people love the Twizzy and the Ami, yet you criticise this for things that would apply even more to them. Certainly it isn't in the same league as a Zoe, but people are always calling for lower cost "entry level" EVs which this may represent whilst in safety terms being one up from most vehicles allowed under the Quadricycle legislation.
 

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I'd buy one if it's cheap enough.
We need more small electric cars that will get us to work and back.
Only me in car with a 20 mile commute so what makes people think this won't appeal to anyone?
 

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I'd buy one if it's cheap enough.
We need more small electric cars that will get us to work and back.
Only me in car with a 20 mile commute so what makes people think this won't appeal to anyone?
Likewise - 100 miles range is similar to a LEAF24 before battery degradation and as a basic commuter it is an option.
 

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Strange how some people love the Twizzy and the Ami, yet you criticise this for things that would apply even more to them. Certainly it isn't in the same league as a Zoe, but people are always calling for lower cost "entry level" EVs which this may represent whilst in safety terms being one up from most vehicles allowed under the Quadricycle legislation.
100mile summer range in summer is entry level. NCAP star of 1 will put off everyone. Entry level doesn't also have to mean instant death in an accident. No cars should be lower than 4 star these days.
 

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NCAP star of 1 will put off everyone.
Not everybody buys cars on their NCAP rating. The previous VAG triplets of Up!/Mii/Citigo were amongst the lowest scoring cars in 2019 but sold over 250,000 across Europe. I suspect that Dacia would be well chuffed with that level of sales.
 

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My commute is done at speeds of an average of 15mph, doubt I ever get above 40- I'm happy to take my chances in a low speed bump.
Ncap level 1 would not put me off.
In fact, the fewer functions or driver aids which might help the car reach a 5 rating, the better.
I find them intrusive and if I am keeping the car out of warranty is one less thing to go wrong.
Cheap, cheerful, low range, simple tech, low price.
Bring it on I say.
 

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Dacia Spring EV Launches In Europe With Extremely Low Price, Decent Range

Dacia will open pre-orders in France as of March 2021
and the first vehicles are expected to be delivered this autumn.



 

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So I guess the battery is about 30kwh or so?
 
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