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When I picked up my car yesterday, the dealer commented they had received a rush of people trading in their Lexus SUVs, some only 6 months old, for PHEVs.

I'm guessing we're going to be seeing a lot more of them on the road from now on!
 

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Interesting, I know I've met a few Lexus owners who were very proud of their "hybrid" and the fact it got something-or-other MPG rather than something-more-hidious-or-another MPG, so maybe the PHEV Outlander really IS going to prove a good entry drug to the plug-in world for that type of vehicle owner?

Sales so far would suggest so!
 

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This is somewhat scary and possibly a really bad thing for EV uptake......

If a lot of those customers do above average miles and a lot of distance driving in their Diesel SUV, they have changed partially because of tax incentives and partially because of fuel costs....

Mitsubishi dealers so far, haven't been great at matching a potential customers driving style and requirements to the PHEV and I know of at least 4 people so far, who have been unhappy at the MPG return being a lot lower than they had expected and lower than their previous cars.

People (especially the dealers) need to understand that the Outlander PHEV is great for some but not all or there may be a bit of bad press around the corner.
 

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If a lot of those customers do above average miles and a lot of distance driving in their Diesel SUV, they have changed partially because of tax incentives and partially because of fuel costs....
The Lexus hybrid has a petrol engine.
 

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I am talking any SUV or any large vehicle, not just Lexus, we have seen many Merc, BM, Audi, Range Rover and more drivers go to a PHEV for the potential savings.... not all of them will achieve what they though they would.
 

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Interestingly the Mitsubishi dealer I recently went to for a test drive of the Outlander PHEV was very keen to stress the different driving profiles that would suite the PHEV Vs the diesel and repeatedly asked if was going to use it mainly for lnong journeys, in which case he suggested the diesel would be more suitable.

So some dealers at least do seem keen to match the car to customer requirements.

I concluded that my current Leaf + Ice combination is a much more cost effective and flexible combination to suite our requirements rather than replacing both with the Outlander PHEV but can certainly see it being attractive to many.
 

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This is somewhat scary and possibly a really bad thing for EV uptake......

If a lot of those customers do above average miles and a lot of distance driving in their Diesel SUV, they have changed partially because of tax incentives and partially because of fuel costs....

Mitsubishi dealers so far, haven't been great at matching a potential customers driving style and requirements to the PHEV and I know of at least 4 people so far, who have been unhappy at the MPG return being a lot lower than they had expected and lower than their previous cars.

People (especially the dealers) need to understand that the Outlander PHEV is great for some but not all or there may be a bit of bad press around the corner.
Very interesting. This is why I'm an advocate of clearly stating the expected EV miles, and the MPG in petrol mode, and then people can make their own calculations. Make it easy with an app, website, in store kiosk, whatever. Giving the Ampera "230mpg" and the Outlander "150mpg" doesn't make sense. A untiless efficicency scale, based on average driving, for comparison is good but tying to actual MPG is potentially misleading.

Are the 4 disappointed people actually plugging the cars in each day?
 
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I recall my Brother's father in law (rip) having a lex SUV and commenting he'd have had the hybrid only it wasn't suited to towing...assuming with it's caravan club recognition, the outlander is?!
 

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Were we live, there is an Outlander owner who has no plans to install a charger - he's happy to run around on petrol all the time! Low BIK is his motive.
 

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Yup, completely bonkers ! I almost miss having my fuel card, except I rarely used £35 a month for personal use for the last year or two. Even less so since I've had the Ampera :)
 

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I concluded that my current Leaf + Ice combination is a much more cost effective and flexible combination to suite our requirements rather than replacing both with the Outlander PHEV but can certainly see it being attractive to many.
Why not rather consider the LEAF + Outlander PHEV combination because f you are into EV driving, acquired the home charger and the public charging cards then you maximise your benefits/choices. I can't see having two Outlander PHEVs attractive and assume you don't mean replacing two cars with one ( presumption that cars are shared by more than one person). The statistics show that most people's driving is short range so most Outlander PHEV miles are in EV mode but you have the option for long distance. Anyone whose profile is mostly longer journeys would if they want Outlander choose diesel version.
 

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Why not rather consider the LEAF + Outlander PHEV combination because f you are into EV driving, acquired the home charger and the public charging cards then you maximise your benefits/choices. I can't see having two Outlander PHEVs attractive and assume you don't mean replacing two cars with one ( presumption that cars are shared by more than one person). The statistics show that most people's driving is short range so most Outlander PHEV miles are in EV mode but you have the option for long distance. Anyone whose profile is mostly longer journeys would if they want Outlander choose diesel version.
Because my Ice is only used for around 3000 miles a year and I don't want to spend £30k on an Outlander for that! The Leaf by comparison covers 12,000 miles a year. The Ice is only used for long journeys and when we need the extra space it provides over the Leaf or occasionally when 2 cars are needed at the same time..

As I rent the Ice out through Easy Carclub when I'm not using it, all my insurance and servicing costs are covered.

This set up works perfectly for us and a number of people I know are considering doing the same.
 

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Because my Ice is only used for around 3000 miles a year and I don't want to spend £30k on an Outlander for that! The Leaf by comparison covers 12,000 miles a year. The Ice is only used for long journeys and when we need the extra space it provides over the Leaf or occasionally when 2 cars are needed at the same time..

As I rent the Ice out through Easy Carclub when I'm not using it, all my insurance and servicing costs are covered.

This set up works perfectly for us and a number of people I know are considering doing the same.
Seems like an effective use of surplus resources but probably only flexible if you have a spare car. I would suggest that most households with a 2nd car need to use it. If the overall objective is to move away from ICE then use of a PHEV as 2nd car is the rational next step at least until we have affordable BEVs with greater range. I agree £30k is an expensive way to do this but in a couple of years time there should be quite a few 2nd hand Outlander PHEVs coming onto market as a lot of new ones are being sold with tax incentives (BIK) to business. Many of these good value as they may not have had a lot of battery charging (according to previous posts) so some bargains perhaps to be had. Alternatively there will be a lot of cheap older EVs with degraded batteries but still useful as short range run arounds.
 

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Interestingly the Mitsubishi dealer I recently went to for a test drive of the Outlander PHEV was very keen to stress the different driving profiles that would suite the PHEV Vs the diesel and repeatedly asked if was going to use it mainly for lnong journeys, in which case he suggested the diesel would be more suitable.

So some dealers at least do seem keen to match the car to customer requirements.

I concluded that my current Leaf + Ice combination is a much more cost effective and flexible combination to suite our requirements rather than replacing both with the Outlander PHEV but can certainly see it being attractive to many.
Same experience in my case. Dealer started the conversation asking about our typical car use. Have to remember though that back then, they didn't know just as well it would sell and I suppose were keen to get the diesel version out of the forecourt. It hadn't been exactly flying off the shelves until then.

We rarely hit the open road and mostly stay within the range of the battery which means an energy bill of about £15 a month.
 

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Seems like an effective use of surplus resources but probably only flexible if you have a spare car. I would suggest that most households with a 2nd car need to use it. If the overall objective is to move away from ICE then use of a PHEV as 2nd car is the rational next step at least until we have affordable BEVs with greater range. I agree £30k is an expensive way to do this but in a couple of years time there should be quite a few 2nd hand Outlander PHEVs coming onto market as a lot of new ones are being sold with tax incentives (BIK) to business. Many of these good value as they may not have had a lot of battery charging (according to previous posts) so some bargains perhaps to be had. Alternatively there will be a lot of cheap older EVs with degraded batteries but still useful as short range run arounds.
Yes - we do you the Ice but not all the time. Most likely will aim to keep the Ice going as long as possible and then go all EV when an "affordable" 200 mile range EV is available and keep the Leaf as the 2nd car.
 
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