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Frosty headlights on the Model 3 are a pain. I hadn't realised till this winter just how inneffective the LED headlights are at clearing frost and snow.
With my old diesel Xantia the ice will just melt off, whilst you're clearing the rest of the car, with the heat from the halogen bulbs.
With the model 3 needing minimal cleaning thanks to cabin preheating, it would be nice just to jump in and go. But no, the headlights need scraping.
I'm loath to use a scraper on them in case I damage the plastic lenses. I've never had plastic lenses before.
Anybody else got this problem?
Any solutions?
 

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As above, scraping the lights will make it worse as it puts more finite scratches into the lenses for water and dirt to sit in.

Best thing is some warm water over them.

When clean and dry maybe try a good wax , ceramic coat or WD40. The more water you can stop them holding onto the less ice will form 😊

And that's quite a jump from a Xantia to an M3! Albeit the only downgrade is suspension ride in my opinion 😥
 

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As above, scraping the lights will make it worse as it puts more finite scratches into the lenses for water and dirt to sit in.

Best thing is some warm water over them.

When clean and dry maybe try a good wax , ceramic coat or WD40. The more water you can stop them holding onto the less ice will form 😊

And that's quite a jump from a Xantia to an M3! Albeit the only downgrade is suspension ride in my opinion 😥
Yes It takes a bit of getting used to. I used to think the Xantia was the bees knees.. it is with the ride but compared to the M3 the steering is awful.. Those big sidewalls don't help, but are necessary for the Xantias legendary ride. I keep switching on the wipers in the Xantia when I'm ready to reverse into the drive :)
.. oh and putting on the brake in the M3 when trying to get the windscreen washers to work :( Isn't muscle memory amazing!!
I have ceramic coated the lenses but there's still a frost there.
However I had an idea that may fix the problem.. just waiting for a good frost to try it out.
 

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Yes It takes a bit of getting used to. I used to think the Xantia was the bees knees.. it is with the ride but compared to the M3 the steering is awful.. Those big sidewalls don't help, but are necessary for the Xantias legendary ride. I keep switching on the wipers in the Xantia when I'm ready to reverse into the drive :)
.. oh and putting on the brake in the M3 when trying to get the windscreen washers to work :( Isn't muscle memory amazing!!
I have ceramic coated the lenses but there's still a frost there.
However I had an idea that may fix the problem.. just waiting for a good frost to try it out.
Dinnae keep it a secret if it works.
 

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Ahhh the xantia ride! is yours a later one? Petrol Diesel?

I do miss the ones i've had over the years but mostly miss my old XM Estate. that thing was enormous inside and just wafter :D
 

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late Mk2 .with 70k. I have another sorned on 330k but will probably not see the road again.
Contemplating finding a way to get this one electrified. As the more weight the better the ride :)
 

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Dinnae keep it a secret if it works.
So I've been doing a bit of research, found a solution and now looking for feedback.
This is the Mk1 solution made from a DPD bag parcel tape and some shower suckers.
I'm awaiting some rip stop fabric and will be assembling a much better Mk2 trimmed to cover the headlight, with suckers which have a grip on the fabric rather than a wire hook poking through.
If there's demand I'll use the smooth material used in the bags for a colour coded pair which will look much nicer and survive much higher wind strengths.
The advantage of these is that if you're at the office during a day below freezing, you don't have to go and find some water to clear the headlights, arguably you could leave them on the headlights in a public car park all day, who would take them? Another M3 owner?
What do you think? Should they be shaped to stick on the headlights or made slightly larger so that the suckers can stick to the bodywork. I have a little material left over after cutting to the headlight shape so they could be made slightly larger?
I'm looking at about £12 all in for a pair.
I'd appreciate your thoughts.
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late Mk2 .with 70k. I have another sorned on 330k but will probably not see the road again.
Contemplating finding a way to get this one electrified. As the more weight the better the ride :)
Ahhh the good old HDi units, a 110bhp is it as it looks like SX trim :) Nice rarer colour too.

I thought about electric with the XM as you say, the ride only gets better with weight! but it was a bit too crusty to keep much longer.
i think the easiest way would be a nissan leaf setup at the front and if you could make battery boxes and extend cabling to run between the boxes you could save more money with that setup, and possibly retain the Chademo & Type1/2 charging abilities..

If you haven't already do take the arch liners out and check behind them and the Dog bones as well as the seals on those joints can be atrocious and rust slowly creeps in :(
 

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Ahhh the good old HDi units, a 110bhp is it as it looks like SX trim :) Nice rarer colour too.

Correct SX 110. I thought about electric with the XM as you say, the ride only gets better with weight! but it was a bit too crusty to keep much longer.
i think the easiest way would be a nissan leaf setup at the front and if you could make battery boxes and extend cabling to run between the boxes you could save more money with that setup, and possibly retain the Chademo & Type1/2 charging abilities..

If you haven't already do take the arch liners out and check behind them and the Dog bones as well as the seals on those joints can be atrocious and rust slowly creeps in :(
You can see on the sill just in front of the rear wheel where its starting.. I've had that experience with the silver hdisx.. lots of problems with such a high mileage including ram seals replaced with dowry seals, pipes and rust. First thing I did when I got her 3 years ago with 30k was do the inside of the sills and put false plastic wheel arches in to stop the inside rust high up in the back quarter. I need to find a good restorer..she's staying off the roads for most if the winter just doing citrobics every week..wish I had the space in the garage to keep her dry.
 

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We had two Xantias in succession in between 1999-2005, couldn't tell you what trim levels but both were 2L petrols. One got written off in a head-on collision and I was surprised at how well it held up given the half a star NCAP. We had liked it so much we bought another to replace it, the only difference was the colour.
I remember being obsessed with the uppey-downey suspension.
 

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They are very hardy cars for their age and price thats for sure.

For the Dogs legs i've seen a few posts from french groups where they strip them out and do the job properly.
The ones i found the worst always had well filled arches with crusted on muck that had been there for years and likely not parked anywhere a breeze and the sun could get to them to help dry them out. washing them out often is a good way to make them last. Kurust can help but really they need cutting out and redoing as you'll find it gets very bad inside when it starts to bubble :(

@DBMandrake has a good bit of experience of them and i've owned one of his V6's as well, which apparently was being shipped off to Iran to live another life after a gearbox rebuild. I owned another which was always parked inside a garage for many scottish months on end so was just totally rotted out but i parted that car out to help a good few others live on and the engine i believe went into an MX5 or an RX8 i think.
 

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The material arrived early. Its fine for what it is, but the smooth bag material will work and look better.
What do you think?
 

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The material arrived early. Its fine for what it is, but the smooth bag material will work and look better.
What do you think?
They are very hardy cars for their age and price thats for sure.

For the Dogs legs i've seen a few posts from french groups where they strip them out and do the job properly.
The ones i found the worst always had well filled arches with crusted on muck that had been there for years and likely not parked anywhere a breeze and the sun could get to them to help dry them out. washing them out often is a good way to make them last. Kurust can help but really they need cutting out and redoing as you'll find it gets very bad inside when it starts to bubble :(

@DBMandrake has a good bit of experience of them and i've owned one of his V6's as well, which apparently was being shipped off to Iran to live another life after a gearbox rebuild. I owned another which was always parked inside a garage for many scottish months on end so was just totally rotted out but i parted that car out to help a good few others live on and the engine i believe went into an MX5 or an RX8 i think.
I know @DBMandrake well from the French Car Forum. He certainly does have a lot of experience with them amd has helped me out many times. Yes, inside arches are pretty bad as are the door shut infront of the rear arch. The estates were assembled in a different factory to the saloons and used dissimilar metals leading to the rust from the inside out.
T is still going and sold, V is sorned after 330K, and W has only 70K all Sx's same seats. T is a TD the others Hdi.
I think I sould rename this thread Xantia Memories.
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So to get back to the thread back on track. Any takers for the above?
The new suckers work better than the older ones and the eyelets have a hold on the fabrc so the fabric and suckers can't separate as happened on the Mk1 design.
 

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Come up many times before, and I laugh.

LED headlights are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Residual heat is required in the headlight and a filament bulb does this admirably in one package, delivering both heat and light.

... an LED headlight with a build in heater ... you couldn't make it up .... well, someone did .... clearly not an engineer.
 

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Frosty headlights on the Model 3 are a pain. I hadn't realised till this winter just how inneffective the LED headlights are at clearing frost and snow.
With my old diesel Xantia the ice will just melt off, whilst you're clearing the rest of the car, with the heat from the halogen bulbs.
Same problem on my Leaf.

Huge headlight glass area with LED low beams and a fairly horizontal angle that as a result frost up really easily in the winter.

The first time it happened I wasn't sure what was going on - I hadn't noticed the very thin layer of frost (almost invisible under the garage security light on a dark morning) but soon noticed on the road that the headlights seemed very dim and diffuse. Pulled over and noticed the frost and wiped it off by hand. The tiniest layer of frost makes a huge difference to the light pattern as it totally diffuses the pattern.

So now checking and if necessary cleaning the headlights is a morning ritual if the car is snowy or frosty. However that doesn't solve the problem that snow can settle on the headlights or frost can form while the car is driving, as there is no heat to keep it melted... :rolleyes:

LED headlights have the advantage that they should (in theory) last a lot longer but in every other way they're a retrograde step, including (in my opinion) the very sharp cut off that has zero bleed above the cut off line - meaning you literally can't see anything just beyond the cut off point.

Meanwhile on the Xantia very small, near vertical glass area on the headlights with both filament bulb heat and engine bay heat to keep them melted. Never an issue with snow/ice or frost.
 
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