[Neil Derrick]

Hi I have just taken delivery of a new Ds3 Etense performance line
First electric for wife but have had a couple of issues
Fully charge the car and it say 128 mile range on full battery
Drive around and this doesn’t move and this surprised me
2nd other than the app there is no way to setup the charging on the car
No energy button plus app needs severs 20 mile journeys for e remote to work

software nothing like my VwPassat Gte

 

[80698]

Fully charge the car and it say 128 mile range on full battery
Drive around and this doesn’t move and this surprised me

It's called a GOM, or Guess-o-meter. It makes a guess based on recent driving style and other variables like speed. If it was saying 128 miles on a full charge mayble the last journey was along a motorway with the heater blasting, and then this more recent drive was on slower roads without climate controls for example? This would stop the numbers from falling or even increase them a bit. It's pretty standard in most cars.

I Don't know if the DS Shows this or not, but looking at the battery charge percentage is far better than the guess of how many remaining miles you have.

One thing I can tell you though is that the real world range of the car will often be nowhere near the quoted range by the manufacturer. The DS3 Is one of the least efficient EVs out there at the moment. It may not be a problem if it's just being used to run around the city and charge at home every night, but if you are taking it on longer journeys it has proven to be a nightmare to live with for some.

 

[b789pilot]

The DS=3 is just like all the other PSA Group EVs. It has the 50kWh battery with around 47kWh usable. As mentioned above, the GoM is pretty useless for any kind of accurate range prediction. The easiest way to check that is to see what your average consumption is in miles/kWh. This will vary depending on your style of driving and the speeds you do.

Considering the battery in the DS-3 you should, in the current season with average temperatures around 10 degC get 3.5 miles/kWh driving on the motorway at 65mph. If most of your journey was like this, you could expect a range of 3.5 x 47 = 165 miles from 100% to 0%. However, in the real world, you'd never plan to drive it to 0%.

City driving is most likely to be more efficient for an EV. The same power-train as the DS3 is in the Vauxhall Corsa-e and the Peugeot e-208. This time of year I get around 4 miles/kWh around town. That gives a maximum range of 4 x 47 = 188 miles from 100% to 0%. In the summer I was easily getting 5 miles/kWh around town giving a full range of 235 miles.

All this is shown on the EV database for the DS-3here: DS 3 Crossback E-Tense

I have found that after fully charging the car, the GoM never gives a realistic range. After driving it for a while, it almost invariably jumps up. It doesn't help much that the range jumps in 6 mile blocks. It will all depend on your driving style and the temperature. If you're a calm driver and as the temperature increases, you'll find your range steadily increases.

I've also found that driving an EV makes me a much more sedate driver than I used to be. Win win.

 

[Neil Derrick]

It's called a GOM, or Guess-o-meter. It makes a guess based on recent driving style and other variables like speed. If it was saying 128 miles on a full charge mayble the last journey was along a motorway with the heater blasting, and then this more recent drive was on slower roads without climate controls for example? This would stop the numbers from falling or even increase them a bit. It's pretty standard in most cars.

I Don't know if the DS Shows this or not, but looking at the battery charge percentage is far better than the guess of how many remaining miles you have.

One thing I can tell you though is that the real world range of the car will often be nowhere near the quoted range by the manufacturer. The DS3 Is one of the least efficient EVs out there at the moment. It may not be a problem if it's just being used to run around the city and charge at home every night, but if you are taking it on longer journeys it has proven to be a nightmare to live with for some.

The DS=3 is just like all the other PSA Group EVs. It has the 50kWh battery with around 47kWh usable. As mentioned above, the GoM is pretty useless for any kind of accurate range prediction. The easiest way to check that is to see what your average consumption is in miles/kWh. This will vary depending on your style of driving and the speeds you do.

Considering the battery in the DS-3 you should, in the current season with average temperatures around 10 degC get 3.5 miles/kWh driving on the motorway at 65mph. If most of your journey was like this, you could expect a range of 3.5 x 47 = 165 miles from 100% to 0%. However, in the real world, you'd never plan to drive it to 0%.

City driving is most likely to be more efficient for an EV. The same power-train as the DS3 is in the Vauxhall Corsa-e and the Peugeot e-208. This time of year I get around 4 miles/kWh around town. That gives a maximum range of 4 x 47 = 188 miles from 100% to 0%. In the summer I was easily getting 5 miles/kWh around town giving a full range of 235 miles.

All this is shown on the EV database for the DS-3here: DS 3 Crossback E-Tense

I have found that after fully charging the car, the GoM never gives a realistic range. After driving it for a while, it almost invariably jumps up. It doesn't help much that the range jumps in 6 mile blocks. It will all depend on your driving style and the temperature. If you're a calm driver and as the temperature increases, you'll find your range steadily increases.

I've also found that driving an EV makes me a much more sedate driver than I used to be. Win win.

 

[Neil Derrick]

Car had 2 miles on the clock and only 159
Today but thanks for reply
Is there anyway to defer charge this car
Doesn’t have energy button inside the car to set times to charge etc
App not working at the moment because of distance covered
Ev will be ideal for the wife and won’t be doing big runs with the car

 

[b789pilot]

Not sure how you access it on the DS-3 but there is an option in the car on both the Corsa-e and e-208 to set the charge timer from the infotainment system. On the the other 2 cars it is accessed from the 'e' option on the infotaiment where you see the power input/output. There is a 'statistics' option which shows you your average miles/kWh and a bar graph and the third option lets you set the start time for a charge.

The options on the PSA Group cars is only to set a charge start time. However, if you have a reasonably 'smart' charger, you can set start and stop times.

 

[Neil Derrick]

No nothing on the Info zone on the Ds3 which I find unbelievable
Another thing if they wanted to really make this car a good Ev would be Led lights all round
Good looking car though and that’s why the lady liked
Worth £35 k No

 

[meetyg]

Just to be exact: the 50 kwh battery has 46.6 kwh usable capacity.
I checked it using an app (called Power Cruise Control) and an OBD2 dongle.
The claim they read the real capacity from the BMS.
Here is what I got a full charge (charged until it won't charge anymore):

I'm not sure the car will let you go down to 0 kwh (maybe using the heater, but not for driving, for sure), but I have gotten down once to around 4 kwh (no turtle mode yet, just some low battery warnings, and around 6km left on GOM, which seems odd).

 

[meetyg]

No nothing on the Info zone on the Ds3 which I find unbelievable
Another thing if they wanted to really make this car a good Ev would be Led lights all round
Good looking car though and that’s why the lady liked
Worth £35 k No

Looking at pics of the infotainment, you should have the deffered charge option.
There is a button with a "lighting bolt" on it, which should give you EV info. Then choose the "charge" tab.
There you can configure the charge time.
Do you have these?

 

[Neil Derrick]

Looking at pics of the infotainment, you should have the deffered charge option.
There is a button with a "lighting bolt" on it, which should give you EV info. Then choose the "charge" tab.
There you can configure the charge time.
Do you have these?
View attachment 142355

No button for entering power on infozone
Will show you photo tomorrow
I have the performance line model

 

[Alex West]

I have the equivalent 208e, and its currently showing 85% and 151 miles range.
Ypu can defer charge on mine via the app, screen and a button in the filler cap.
The app only started connecting to the car once I had removed all wifi connections from the car to wifi.
Niggles / peculiarities I have observed:

• Max charge rate seems to be 50Kw - even at a 100Kw charge point.
• Half charge on the battery corresponds to about 40 miles (full is about 190).
• No mute on GPS.

 

[80698]

Max charge rate seems to be 50Kw - even at a 100Kw charge point.

I'm assuming you either plugged in with a fairly high state of charge, or a cold battery pack?
Under correct conditions your e-208 can definitely charge at a faster rate.

 

[Neil Derrick]

I have the equivalent 208e, and its currently showing 85% and 151 miles range.
Ypu can defer charge on mine via the app, screen and a button in the filler cap.
The app only started connecting to the car once I had removed all wifi connections from the car to wifi.
Niggles / peculiarities I have observed:

• Max charge rate seems to be 50Kw - even at a 100Kw charge point.
• Half charge on the battery corresponds to about 40 miles (full is about 190).
• No mute on GPS.

This is what I find strange with the app and what Ds call e remote
Still not connected after 160 miles and it’s the only way to defer charge the car

how do you disconnect the Wifi
Thanks

 

[b789pilot]

This is what I find strange with the app and what Ds call e remote
Still not connected after 160 miles and it’s the only way to defer charge the car

You're not reading the advice being given here. You CAN set the timed charge without the app. You need to press the button with the lightning symbol on it and on the subsequent screen, select the 3rd option at the bottom - "Charge". From that screen you will be able to select a time for the charge to start. Once selected, you can make sure the deferred charge is on and when you plug in the charging cable, press the timer option on the light next to the charging socket.

It's all in the manual:

 

[Neil Derrick]

You're not reading the advice being given here. You CAN set the timed charge without the app. You need to press the button with the lightning symbol on it and on the subsequent screen, select the 3rd option at the bottom - "Charge". From that screen you will be able to select a time for the charge to start. Once selected, you can make sure the deferred charge is on and when you plug in the charging cable, press the timer option on the light next to the charging socket.

It's all in the manual:

View attachment 142378

And like I said I do not have the energy button like I have said previous
The only way I can see with differed charging etc is through the app which is very poor

Not new to electric in a car
Have had a Passat Gte for 2.5 years but just cannot understand why you wouldn’t have the menu in the info zone

I do know where the button is supposed to be but Blank

 

[Neil Derrick]

You're not reading the advice being given here. You CAN set the timed charge without the app. You need to press the button with the lightning symbol on it and on the subsequent screen, select the 3rd option at the bottom - "Charge". From that screen you will be able to select a time for the charge to start. Once selected, you can make sure the deferred charge is on and when you plug in the charging cable, press the timer option on the light next to the charging socket.

It's all in the manual:

View attachment 142378

 

[Neil Derrick]

Looking at pics of the infotainment, you should have the deffered charge option.
There is a button with a "lighting bolt" on it, which should give you EV info. Then choose the "charge" tab.
There you can configure the charge time.
Do you have these?
View attachment 142355

 

[b789pilot]

And like I said I do not have the energy button like I have said previous
The only way I can see with differed charging etc is through the app which is very poor

Not new to electric in a car
Have had a Passat Gte for 2.5 years but just cannot understand why you wouldn’t have the menu in the info zone

I do know where the button is supposed to be but Blank

Ah, OK. Apologies for suggesting that. Is your model some kind of entry level model?

 

[Neil Derrick]

Looking at pics of the infotainment, you should have the deffered charge option.
There is a button with a "lighting bolt" on it, which should give you EV info. Then choose the "charge" tab.
There you can configure the charge time.
Do you have these?
View attachment 142355

 

[Neil Derrick]

Ah, OK. Apologies for suggesting that. Is your model some kind of entry level model?

Prestige
Performance line the one I have
Performance line plus

but find it unreal that they have no way to enter the electric menu from inside the car