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The passenger EV versions of the Berlingo and Rifter seem to be confirmed for this year now.

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New 2021 Peugeot e-Rifter electric MPV revealed | Auto Express

Definitely high up and my list for my Ioniq replacement. Uses the same battery and drive train as the other PSA cars so range is down to 170 with these cars basically being bricks aerodynamically. Still get the theoretical 100kw charging, so might not be too bad. A lot of space in these so a highly practical cheaper option compared to a lot of the cheaper small stuff at there atm.

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Vauxhall Combo announced and with Vauxhall now owned by Peugeot it will be the same underpinnings.
"Underpinnings" is undercooking it. It is the same car with some different trimmings really.

I don't think the Vauxhall badged ones ever sold well in comparison to the Peugeot/Citroen ones.

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"Underpinnings" is undercooking it. It is the same car with some different trimmings really.

I don't think the Vauxhall badged ones ever sold well in comparison to the Peugeot/Citroen ones.

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I did think about putting 'Badge Engineering' as in the good old Austin/Morris days and Vauxhall/Opel, when they sold in the same market, but nowadays with costs of plastic bumpers, grilles etc being so cheap then they can have quite a different look at first glance, similar in style to the Ampera/Volt. I had a Mk 1 Astra and if you took the plastic roundel badge out of the horn button there was an Opel 'blitz' moulded into the horn push underneath just needing a clear roundel put over it.
 

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Looks like a Dacia-type rival. Yes, it'll be a bit van-like inside, but with the EV power train it'll be a good family car alternative. If it’s £25K, so much the better. £30K? Maybe not.
 

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Looks like a Dacia-type rival. Yes, it'll be a bit van-like inside, but with the EV power train it'll be a good family car alternative. If it’s £25K, so much the better. £30K? Maybe not.
The Berlingo has been around for many years, latest version is pretty good. Last generation also had an electric version. They are a bit of a different thing to Dacia's.

I'd expect it to be under £30k given the eC4 with the same drivetrain starts at £29.



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The Berlingo has been around for many years, latest version is pretty good. Last generation also had an electric version. They are a bit of a different thing to Dacia's.

I'd expect it to be under £30k given the eC4 with the same drivetrain starts at £29.

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That would be a great price, however given the Rifter/berlingo are the small van MPV, and the medium van MPV (spacetourer/e-traveller) are around £45000 pre-grant I worry that the Rifter may be in that £35-40k price bracket

Vauxhall were different in that they offered a "budget" version of the e-life which starts at £35,000 so potentially they may offer the same for the Combo? Although the budget e-life is aimed more at minibus/shuttle companies where as I think the Combo is a family car
 

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That would be a great price, however given the Rifter/berlingo are the small van MPV, and the medium van MPV (spacetourer/e-traveller) are around £45000 pre-grant I worry that the Rifter may be in that £35-40k price bracket

Vauxhall were different in that they offered a "budget" version of the e-life which starts at £35,000 so potentially they may offer the same for the Combo? Although the budget e-life is aimed more at minibus/shuttle companies where as I think the Combo is a family car
The eC4 petrol starts at £23k and the electric eC4 is £29k (with grant deduction). The current Berlingo starts at £22K, so logic follows it should come in at under £30k for the electric version. We'll see what happens. Key for me will be the lease rates.



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Under 100 miles winter range, think very carefully as there's a point where some of these lower range EVs become impractical depending on your location, e.g. useless for rural areas but may work in the cities very well.
As for how I know what that winter range will be, I have the e2008 which is smaller, lighter, etc., and mid-winter I was seeing 110 miles real range (GOM being pessimistic at 99 miles sometimes). The battery & drivetrain are known to hate colder weather compared to other manufacturers EVs.
Trouble is that the only other option is currently the EV200 which is marginally worse for range.
 

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60 (58) kWh SKODA Enyaq with 2 bicycles on a tow ball carier
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50 kWh Berlingo-E XL with two bikes in the boot

In normal trim for about the same price the SKODA would go further/faster on the motorway but once the bicycles are on the back what would be the effect?
 

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60 (58) kWh SKODA Enyaq with 2 bicycles on a tow ball carier
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50 kWh Berlingo-E XL with two bikes in the boot

In normal trim for about the same price the SKODA would go further/faster on the motorway but once the bicycles are on the back what would be the effect?
Probably still more range in the Skoda. And unless you work for a cycle race organisation, likely most of your time will be spent driving it without the bikes on the roof, so overall range and efficiency is likely more important, in which case the Skoda wins every time.



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They've managed to price the XL (long wheelbase) one just over the PiCG threshold - so over £3.5k more (or £10 per extra mm).

Only get mid-spec SE as electric at this point.

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You can't do stuff like this with an Enyaq: NEW amdro boot jump 2020 - Amdro Alternative Campervans . And most mountain bikers I know have their bikes and out of the car multiple times per week, and would rather have thousands of pounds worth of bikes tucked away inside if they do need to stop somewhere.
 

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Probably still more range in the Skoda. And unless you work for a cycle race organisation, likely most of your time will be spent driving it without the bikes on the roof, so overall range and efficiency is likely more important, in which case the Skoda wins every time.

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Agree the Skoda would be a better option, especially after I saw @Glyn Hudson's video the other day with his e-bike on the roof and the takeway that it wasn't as horrendous on range as you might think (as long as you're not trying to do 70+ on the motorway), bikes on a towbar would impact range even less

 

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I think they've overcooked a bit on the pricing.

The Berlingo is a budget car, the interior shots hide a very utilitarian setup. Throw in average to poor range and average charging speeds by today's standards and it's overpriced.

The base model should have started at £25-26K IMO.



Base Petrol model starts at £22K, so there's no way this is a 7-8K premium for this battery/motor.
 

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I think they've overcooked a bit on the pricing.

The Berlingo is a budget car, the interior shots hide a very utilitarian setup. Throw in average to poor range and average charging speeds by today's standards and it's overpriced.

The base model should have started at £25-26K IMO.



Base Petrol model starts at £22K, so there's no way this is a 7-8K premium for this battery/motor.
Agree, it will be interesting to see what actual price they sell for under the list price - the elecrtric people carriers had some massive savings from the list price(6-7k), I could easily see a couple of grand coming off the price here as well to drop it to 25k
 
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