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Good luck with that. I believe it is in breach and I think it would be risky and it wouldn't win any friends amongst those we want as friends long term
Ecotricity... new map
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Really? I didn't know it did routing - must try it out.Sounds just like OpenChargeMap
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Scraping the Ecotricity data is so easy - but I think they may get upset. If someone were to put a proposal to them they may allow it for specific uses.
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It doesn't. But there is nothing stopping someone writing an app that does it
OCM is not an app. It is a database. Chris has written an app to use the data but the idea is that others write apps to use the open data. There is an open API and a lot of the data is open data. Some is copyright though and cannot be used without the owners permission.
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I'm baffled as to why charger network operators don't just maintain databases which can then be slapped onto any mapping background by any user.
Also, I looked last year at how OSM handled chargers and it didn't seem to be a particularly well developed part of the system. As I want a nice project to work on to understand how all these new-fangled computers and internet works[1] I've put "fathoming OSM and fixing charge points" on my to-do list. Though, I'm sure it'll all be made wonderful before I get round to it.
[1] I used to be an 80s child bedroom coder and, later, a real software engineer. But that was years ago and in assembly language and C. I haven't a clue how it all hangs together these days - and it really annoys me!
Also, I looked last year at how OSM handled chargers and it didn't seem to be a particularly well developed part of the system. As I want a nice project to work on to understand how all these new-fangled computers and internet works[1] I've put "fathoming OSM and fixing charge points" on my to-do list. Though, I'm sure it'll all be made wonderful before I get round to it.
[1] I used to be an 80s child bedroom coder and, later, a real software engineer. But that was years ago and in assembly language and C. I haven't a clue how it all hangs together these days - and it really annoys me!
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Neither do I but the reason they frequently give is that the data is commercially valuable. In other words, they believe they can make money out of offering that data.
I agree, Open Street Map (OSM) doesn't do EV charging well at the moment at all.nd it really annoys me![/quote]
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I'm trying to envisage a scenario whereby keeping the locations of your outlets secret gives you any sort of commercial benefit. It would be like Shell trying to keep its petrol stations off Google maps.
I can see how knowledge of the size and penetration of your network may be commercially valuable - but by the nature of the service, that info is public domain the moment you put it up on your own web site.
I can see how knowledge of the size and penetration of your network may be commercially valuable - but by the nature of the service, that info is public domain the moment you put it up on your own web site.
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It isn't just locations but also status. Status is perhaps something they could sell... Not my words but theirs
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Evening all.
My first post here!
@admin Paul - I've already done this.
A few people here are aware. I started at the end of last year collecting data from the Ecotricity site. I scrape the data from their HTML every night at 20:00. I store this (in its entirety) in a database and present it back in various pages and charts. I also record the date of publication of the map to record how 'stale' the data may be.
From this I can trend up / downtime, reliability etc. by location and unit type. Of course the data is only ass good as the data they choose to publish via the map. Sometimes it is updated several times a day - pretty much as issues are tweeted - other times its a day or two. Sometimes they update at the weekend.
For chargemaster / polar I've been collecting data for a few weeks. For them it's a bit different. They have various APIs hidden away in their site. They are pretty good, but with most things CM poorly implemented. I 'harvest' data from them every hour and record in a database also.
Currently With the API Im unsing for CM I can see the unit id and serial, location and if it in use, also if it's fully in use. It also shows some info about coms state which I need to do some more tests on.
There is another (better) api where I can get a lot more unit info about location, the plug types and states but it's very unreliable. I've stripped the data from it for reference but it doesn't update correctly So I'm not using it. I do wonder if it will come back online after the 1st April..!
I was also thinking it would be interesting to post it into something like OCM..?
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@admin Paul - I've already done this.
A few people here are aware. I started at the end of last year collecting data from the Ecotricity site. I scrape the data from their HTML every night at 20:00. I store this (in its entirety) in a database and present it back in various pages and charts. I also record the date of publication of the map to record how 'stale' the data may be.
From this I can trend up / downtime, reliability etc. by location and unit type. Of course the data is only ass good as the data they choose to publish via the map. Sometimes it is updated several times a day - pretty much as issues are tweeted - other times its a day or two. Sometimes they update at the weekend.
For chargemaster / polar I've been collecting data for a few weeks. For them it's a bit different. They have various APIs hidden away in their site. They are pretty good, but with most things CM poorly implemented. I 'harvest' data from them every hour and record in a database also.
Currently With the API Im unsing for CM I can see the unit id and serial, location and if it in use, also if it's fully in use. It also shows some info about coms state which I need to do some more tests on.
There is another (better) api where I can get a lot more unit info about location, the plug types and states but it's very unreliable. I've stripped the data from it for reference but it doesn't update correctly So I'm not using it. I do wonder if it will come back online after the 1st April..!
I was also thinking it would be interesting to post it into something like OCM..?
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OCM is not the right place for this kind of historic data IMO. It would not fit into the current database schema and so the database would need to be redesigned.
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Hi Paul (C)
Perhaps a topic for another thread... Is the OCM schema documented?
From any tool Personally I would want to know ...
- unit info
- location
- operator
- cost
- on / offline
- reliability
- is it in use
All of that is doable for most units / operators, and could even be enriched with OVMS data....
Perhaps a topic for another thread... Is the OCM schema documented?
From any tool Personally I would want to know ...
- unit info
- location
- operator
- cost
- on / offline
- reliability
- is it in use
All of that is doable for most units / operators, and could even be enriched with OVMS data....
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OCM isn't an app. OK, there is an app on the web site but that isn't the primary purpose of OCM.
OCM is a database that is intended to be a database of charging stations for others to build their apps upon. The app that is on the OCM web site is just an example.
I accept that there is a mobile OCM app too but again, that is just an example for others.
@snfosberry If you want "is it in use" then I think the only way that info will be available with any degree of accuracy is via the network operator's own web site. At the moment, as far as I know, there is no real-time data feeds to OCM and the way it is looking I think that is unlikely in the near future.
OCM is a database that is intended to be a database of charging stations for others to build their apps upon. The app that is on the OCM web site is just an example.
I accept that there is a mobile OCM app too but again, that is just an example for others.
@snfosberry If you want "is it in use" then I think the only way that info will be available with any degree of accuracy is via the network operator's own web site. At the moment, as far as I know, there is no real-time data feeds to OCM and the way it is looking I think that is unlikely in the near future.
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Historically OCM approached all of the charging network vendors asking for data feeds including live status... all said 'go away' which IMO tells us everything we need to know
Systems like Open Vehicles could provide live charging data and thats our best hope for a system that meets our needs.
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agreed.... I don't think the vendors will do anything until a successful app is built on 'their' data
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