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It is good news...

Let's hope that now they consider the network worth charging us a fee to use so we can get 24/7 support and get all the opportunity chargers off the network and free it up for those that really need it.

I hope the reliability continues :)
 

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I'm not sure why someone living OFF the Ecotricity 'electric highway' is advocating the introduction of charging? I, for one, have travelled freely(!) on the M3. M4 and M1 - I'm in no hurry to see rates similar to ChargeMeister being introduced - it would cramp the freedom of myself and others!

Ecotricity has done more than any organisation (except maybe OLEV) to promote the virtue of low carbon/ super economical motoring!

Well done Ecotricity - sincere thanks for the concession! But do keep on with 'incentivising' the 'EV lifestyle' - just as long as it's helping you grow your 'core business'. :rolleyes::cool::LOL:
 

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I'm not sure why someone living OFF the Ecotricity 'electric highway' is advocating the introduction of charging?
Personally I can't wait for the introduction of paid charging - at the moment a lot of people are charging on the Electric Highway because it's free, not because they actually need a charge. It was fine even six months ago, but we've seen quite an increase in the number of BEVs and PHEVs around and so some sites are now starting to see some contention, and that's only going to get worse. I had one instance a few weeks ago where I had to wait over an hour to get on a charger simply because of a queue (with the gentleman charging admitting that he only lived a few miles away). I'm not preaching by the way - I've done it myself plenty of times, but charging will discourage that and make the chargers available for those that actually need them.
 

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I'm not sure why someone living OFF the Ecotricity 'electric highway' is advocating the introduction of charging?
It is simple... I might not live near the highway but I use it. In fact, on my last trip to Bristol (Charges at Exeter, Bridgwater & same back) I had to wait 30 mins while a local charged at Bridgwater just because it was free. Now while it is free I certainly don't blame them. But if it were not then they probably wouldn't have charged and my journey wouldn't have been delayed. Queues are becoming common on the Highway and I can't help thinking that things would be much better for those that need to charge if it were not free.

Also, once it isn't free we will all start to see the true demand level. While free the figures are muddied and diluted by opportunist freebie charges (me included!).

As for rates... Ecotricity has not set rates yet but I would be surprised if it is as much as ChargeMaster :)
 

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To correlate charger availability with 'charges' seems a remote possility. Even the idea that charging will bring a 24/7 Help-line seems naive. Such a service will be driven by 'commercial imperatives'. If it doesn't directly contribute to revenue - it won't happen - simple as that! IMHO.
 

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Only 13 rapid charge points are shown as out of order on their map today, 5 ChadeMo/AC and 6 CCS out of a total of 283.

That is a fantastic effort to get the charge points up an running and all involved should be congratulated !
Here Hear. Perhaps moving into the rainy season has helped as well by lowering the earth resistance. :)
 

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You are right of course but the commercial imperative is that if they don't properly support it people won't pay :)
Maybe the Help Lines have been used too often by drivers who have contributed to their own dilemma by running to the limit of range before attempting to charge. I suspect that very rarely can the charging service provider make a system action that will resolve the fault. Drivers need to operate defensively and understand the needs for 'fallback'. Whilst most EVs have a 13 amp charging option - getting 'stranded' is a self-inflicted and unnecessary injury. IMHO

There can be no commercial justification for a service dealing with other people's bad decision making - that I can foresee. Unless you charge £30 a time for counselling on how to plan, navigate and operate an EV!

Charge points need to operate as 'dumb terminals'. The solution is surely in improving reliability - which can include an element of redundancy. If a ChargePoint cannot give 99% reliability it should never be installed.
 

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getting 'stranded' is a self-inflicted and unnecessary injury. IMHO
I agree except that there is a huge learning curve when people first get a BEV and running out once or twice is not that uncommon in the early days (and nothing to be ashamed of IMHO... we all have to learn!).

If a ChargePoint cannot give 99% reliability it should never be installed.
Well, I appreciate what you are saying and I kinda agree... but if Ecotricity had taken that approach then we wouldn't have a Highway at all! They need to be reliable, that is true
 

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... and how many are coughing up to join the opposition? Some... but not many if my suspicions are correct. I think that the Highway will have a better chance of signing people up though than any of the opposition so far but they will have to maintain reliability and support if they want people long term :)
 

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I would like to see fast chargers at Rapid site's as this would give more options to the growing number of EV's. Also if the Rapid is in fault you have a plan B without what could be a long diversion or a flat bed truck.
 

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I agree in theory -- my only reservation is that on an another thread @LettuceLeaf found the reliability of free Ecotricity to be superior to the paid-for competition...
Abso-bloody-lutely agree. The word 'Chargemaster' leaps to mind, and makes me shudder. The only time I got a charge from one of their chargers, it would not release my cable and I had to spend the night in a hotel.
 

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I would like to see fast chargers at Rapid site's as this would give more options to the growing number of EV's. Also if the Rapid is in fault you have a plan B without what could be a long diversion or a flat bed truck.
We had this discussion sometime ago - it seemed only too obvious to branch off a Type-2 before the 'rapid' circuitry; whilst attractive in principle, it gives no redundancy if the failure is in power supply, or control circuits.

Ecotricity have declared that Dual Rapids would give the necessary redundancy + there was an assumption that core hardware/software would become more reliable. In summary they were +\- almost right! My observation is that CYC have few dual-rapid solutions - but they have found better reliability with better engineered chargers from ABB and Seimens. So they too have been almost right too!

The reality is that once users get 'hooked' on rapid chargers, they don't want to uses Fast Chargers - if at all possible. In my own experience, I'll divert 20-30 get get another 'rapid', rather that waste half a day on a 'fast' charger!
 

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I used a very new DBT charger operated by CYC in Woolwich on Monday....,
 

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Be friggin hilarious if ecotricity announced it was a flat fee of £10 for 30mins. Be a lot of red faces around here.

Plus as Ecotricity have a monopoly by and large on the motorway network we would all be powerless to choose to charge elsewhere.
 

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Hopefully they will start doubling up on the chargers soon as that would do wonders for the reliability, having CCS at all their locations would help as well.

It will be interesting to see what sort of price structure they adopt.
 
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