[proddick]

Attached is 30 October pool info and it is an interesting time!

Ford rebuff Renault's advance and woo Volvo to hitch up! Will anyone now shack up with lonely Renault now Ford has spurned them? Meanwhile, Honda has got in bed with Tesla and Fiat. It is like an episode of Love Island - or so I am told 😉

What are JLR doing to do? They can't possibly have sold enough iPace or PHEVs yet to get below limit, so the stonking deals on PCH may have to get even better?

 

[cah197]

Very interesting.

I see that VAG have SAIC/MG on their team. Explains all the deals for the ZS.

JLR are probably counting on the iPace, so I’d expect to see some good deals on this next year.

Renault are balancing the books nicely from what I understand and maybe making money on their ZE vehicles.

 

[dk6780]

The German subsidies are doing well for Renault. How are Ford getting away with it?

 

[cah197]

The German subsidies are doing well for Renault. How are Ford getting away with it?

Maybe they’re just sucking up the fines? It does make me wonder.

Pinning their hopes on the Mustang?

 

[proddick]

Maybe they’re just sucking up the fines? It does make me wonder.

Pinning their hopes on the Mustang?

Mustand won't be here in 2020, so Ford are banking on Volvo bringing the Pool below or close to limit. Unofficial reports are that Ford were only 1.5g above limit, which I found surprising.

It seems end of October was last opportunity to create a Pool but OEMs can join until end of year. I have attached latest FAQ I can find.

 

[cah197]

Unofficial reports are that Ford were only 1.5g above limit, which I found surprising.

They sell lots of boring cars and only a few FocusRS type cars.

They have good engine guys and a bunch of hybrids rolling out.

It's really only a stretch for the OEMs who've doubled down on SUVs and high performance cars.

 

[Todor]

It's really only a stretch for the OEMs who've doubled down on SUVs and high performance cars.

Large SUV-s are under different supercredits. Actually selling more SUV-s is helping the OEMs.

 

[cah197]

Large SUV-s are under different supercredits. Actually selling more SUV-s is helping the OEMs.

🤦‍♀️

 

[cah197]

Slight setback for Ford.

Ford Delays Escape PHEV Production To Next Year To Resolve Battery Issue

We certainly don't want Ford Escape PHEVs delivered with battery quality issues. However, yet again, we continue to see that EVs and PHEVs aren't easy.

insideevs.com

They need to push Polestars then?

 

[Bullterrier]

Very interesting.

I see that VAG have SAIC/MG on their team. Explains all the deals for the ZS.

JLR are probably counting on the iPace, so I’d expect to see some good deals on this next year.

Renault are balancing the books nicely from what I understand and maybe making money on their ZE vehicles.

It also explains whacking out ID3s with the crust not fully cooked too. Sell it, reap the credit, manage the fallout.

Amazing what a sharp pointed goad can achieve.

 

[Bullterrier]

It also explains whacking out ID3s with the crust not fully cooked too. Sell it, reap the credit, manage the fallout.

Amazing what a sharp pointed goad can achieve.

I suspect some December corker deals are on the way.

 

[Todor]

I suspect some December corker deals are on the way.

Not in the UK, if you are interested....

 

[onlineo]

Very interesting.

I see that VAG have SAIC/MG on their team. Explains all the deals for the ZS.

JLR are probably counting on the iPace, so I’d expect to see some good deals on this next year.

Renault are balancing the books nicely from what I understand and maybe making money on their ZE vehicles.

With the UK leaving the EU next/this year/already left but not sorted it out yet, will there be any good EV deals next year? Will cars sold in the UK still count for the emissions credits? If not I can see a smaller supply of EVs than demanded.

 

[Todor]

With the UK leaving the EU next/this year/already left but not sorted it out yet, will there be any good EV deals next year? Will cars sold in the UK still count for the emissions credits? If not I can see a smaller supply of EVs than demanded.

UK is already out of EU and it doesn't count towards EU Fleet Emissions.
And your guess seems reasonable for lots of reasons.

 

[cah197]

UK is already out of EU and it doesn't count towards EU Fleet Emissions.

Apparently the government have sought to adhere to the same regulations:

UK To Still Use EU CO2 Emissions Regulations Despite Brexit | Carscoops

Britain wants to encourage sales of electric cars if it is to successfully enforce a ban on all ICE models by 2035.

www.carscoops.com

So much for carving our own path...

 

[Bullterrier]

Not in the UK, if you are interested....

Why not?

UK is already out of EU and it doesn't count towards EU Fleet Emissions.
And your guess seems reasonable for lots of reasons.

that’s not correct. We are still in these regs under the transition arrangements until the end of 2020.....

 

[Todor]

Why not?

that’s not correct. We are still in these regs under the transition arrangements until the end of 2020.....

The UK doesn't count toward the EU Emissions targets anymore (UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020). The UK can choose to apply the same limits and fleet emission targets as the EU, but that doesn't mean that the EU cares about it.

UK to remain with EU CO2 emission regulations - electrive.com

It is looking like the UK is to remain with EU regulation on CO2 emission standards even after leaving the European Union at the end of this year. A new consultation points out as much and is open for comments until 21 August. The consultation document published by the British government...

www.electrive.com

Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020 - Climate Action - European Commission

Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020

ec.europa.eu

Paying the penalty: How EU emissions targets could hit fleets

While new EU emissions regulations will see carmakers face major fines, fleet operators are also likely to see some impacts, reports Natalie Middleton. Carmakers may have ... Read More »

fleetworld.co.uk

So, unless you can tell me exactly how each car manufacturer is performing in the UK, you have no basis for any claim either way.

As the EU Fleet emissions is a huge thing in Europe, there are performance trackers released monthly. I haven't been able to find any system or public record of this for the UK. So it will be quite surprising at the end of the year when car manufacturers start getting fines from the UK....

 

[Bullterrier]

The UK doesn't count toward the EU Emissions targets anymore (UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020). The UK can choose to apply the same limits and fleet emission targets as the EU, but that doesn't mean that the EU cares about it.

UK to remain with EU CO2 emission regulations - electrive.com

It is looking like the UK is to remain with EU regulation on CO2 emission standards even after leaving the European Union at the end of this year. A new consultation points out as much and is open for comments until 21 August. The consultation document published by the British government...

www.electrive.com

Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020 - Climate Action - European Commission

Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020

ec.europa.eu

Paying the penalty: How EU emissions targets could hit fleets

While new EU emissions regulations will see carmakers face major fines, fleet operators are also likely to see some impacts, reports Natalie Middleton. Carmakers may have ... Read More »

fleetworld.co.uk

So, unless you can tell me exactly how each car manufacturer is performing in the UK, you have no basis for any claim either way.

As the EU Fleet emissions is a huge thing in Europe, there are performance trackers released monthly. I haven't been able to find any system or public record of this for the UK. So it will be quite surprising at the end of the year when car manufacturers start getting fines from the UK....

Perhaps have a read yourself here CO2 emission performance standards for new passenger cars and light commercial vehicles

 

[proddick]

The UK doesn't count toward the EU Emissions targets anymore (UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020)

At @Bullterrier shows above, UK sales are included in EU emissions for 2020 (during transition) and is why (with BIK at zero) many OEMs are making a lot of sales efforts here. It is far easier to sell BEVs here than in (say) Spain due to much better acceptance and public charging infrastructure.

Next year I guess there is a risk that OEMs will focus sales on EU countries if they become production constrained? Also, 2021 will be even harder for them as BEV Supercredits drop from a 2.0 multiplier to just 1.66.

 

[Bullterrier]

At @Bullterrier shows above, UK sales are included in EU emissions for 2020 (during transition) and is why (with BIK at zero) many OEMs are making a lot of sales efforts here. It is far easier to sell BEVs here than in (say) Spain due to much better acceptance and public charging infrastructure.

Next year I guess there is a risk that OEMs will focus sales on EU countries if they become production constrained? Also, 2021 will be even harder for them as BEV Supercredits drop from a 2.0 multiplier to just 1.66.

So it makes a lot of sense for pool members to max the RHD already produced stock sales here before Christmas....