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It seems that there are areas on the CPS network that are seeing massive improvements. I've commented before on how good the Angus network is. East Lothian seems to have made some serious improvements too. New Rapids added recently to existing charger sites as per this list
It seems the policy here is to add Chademo/CCS equipped units. Sites like Shorthope street in Musselburgh already had dual outlet 22kW AC type 2 so this seems to be the most up to date thinking: deter any PHEVs eh.

Just a word on ZapMap and Plugshare: neither of those platforms have any VOLUNTARY user comments relating to successful charges on the the most recently installed RAPID at Shorthope street. Almost certainly, this is not because the unit hasn't been used since installation, but basically that the idea of users voluntarily reporting successful charges is broken. So ZapMap and Plugshare are becoming less relevant.
 

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It seems that there are areas on the CPS network that are seeing massive improvements. I've commented before on how good the Angus network is. East Lothian seems to have made some serious improvements too. New Rapids added recently to existing charger sites as per this list
It seems the policy here is to add Chademo/CCS equipped units. Sites like Shorthope street in Musselburgh already had dual outlet 22kW AC type 2 so this seems to be the most up to date thinking: deter any PHEVs eh.

Just a word on ZapMap and Plugshare: neither of those platforms have any VOLUNTARY user comments relating to successful charges on the the most recently installed RAPID at Shorthope street. Almost certainly, this is not because the unit hasn't been used since installation, but basically that the idea of users voluntarily reporting successful charges is broken. So ZapMap and Plugshare are becoming less relevant.
The new rapid at Harthill park & ride does not seem to have been used much. Probably because few know it is there but I do, so will be trying it tomorrow, although knowing my luck, the network or website will fall over at 6am.

It's good to see the additions and hopefully Swarco will keep them working, along with the website and the new app.
 

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Some folk would beg to differ, its 2021 so
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roll outs are pretty dire! If it was 2016 I'd agree with you. Scotland has plenty of randomly dotted since points of failure, in fact that's MOSTLY what we have with a glut of charging hubs all in the central belt. What we need is smaller hubs, 2x rapids and 4+x destination posts, in each and every town with more than 15k people just to serve that town and those visiting/passing through. Tourist hotspots like Musselburgh and North Berwick need 20+ at least destination posts.
 

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Some folk would beg to differ, its 2021 so View attachment 146128 roll outs are pretty dire! If it was 2016 I'd agree with you. Scotland has plenty of randomly dotted since points of failure, in fact that's MOSTLY what we have with a glut of charging hubs all in the central belt. What we need is smaller hubs, 2x rapids and 4+x destination posts, in each and every town with more than 15k people just to serve that town and those visiting/passing through. Tourist hotspots like Musselburgh and North Berwick need 20+ at least destination posts.
Which areas are you talking about? Angus mostly has multiple rapids and several destination chargers in each town. Aberdeenshire moving that way. Elgin has doubled up chargers. Fife sites are doubled up in Coaltown and Halbeath. Etc.
 

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Some folk would beg to differ, its 2021 so View attachment 146128 roll outs are pretty dire! If it was 2016 I'd agree with you. Scotland has plenty of randomly dotted since points of failure, in fact that's MOSTLY what we have with a glut of charging hubs all in the central belt. What we need is smaller hubs, 2x rapids and 4+x destination posts, in each and every town with more than 15k people just to serve that town and those visiting/passing through. Tourist hotspots like Musselburgh and North Berwick need 20+ at least destination posts.
Dundee and Forfar have good charging hubs. Is Forfar in the central belt?
 

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Dundee and Forfar have good charging hubs. Is Forfar in the central belt?
I'd say Forfar is more the mini hubs I was describing, these need rolled out as standard installs over a single rapids dotted around. (y)

Ok its not central belt per se, but its hardly a Scotland wide roll out. Nothing that could be considered anything like a hub north of Pitlochry (and even that is really just a slow evolution of the site, with 2 flakey old eVolt rapids that barely touch 25kW). Show me a hub in the borders? or anywhere in the highlands where being stranded at a lone rapid with zero hope of making it to another site?
 

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Pretty much only single rapids in the Borders just now, and nearly all on the CPS network, so if CPS goes down then so does most of the EV charging provision here.
 

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I'd say Forfar is more the mini hubs I was describing, these need rolled out as standard installs over a single rapids dotted around. (y)

Ok its not central belt per se, but its hardly a Scotland wide roll out. Nothing that could be considered anything like a hub north of Pitlochry (and even that is really just a slow evolution of the site, with 2 flakey old eVolt rapids that barely touch 25kW). Show me a hub in the borders? or anywhere in the highlands where being stranded at a lone rapid with zero hope of making it to another site?
Agree, Highland because it's such a huge area in percentage terms of the UK's land area needs special help and upgrades too.
 

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Agree, Highland because it's such a huge area in percentage terms of the UK's land area needs special help and upgrades too.
By exception ( because there are so few), Dingwall, Brora, Ullapool, Thurso are sites in Highland with multiple Rapids.
 

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Pretty much only single rapids in the Borders just now, and nearly all on the CPS network, so if CPS goes down then so does most of the EV charging provision here.
Yes, it's not until you get across past Moffat that things improve along the A74m corridor, with a new hub at Crawford and 2 new rapids and 2 AC posts at Abington village.

Then there is a gap until Larkhall P&R which should be plugged around Lesmahagow.

Are the chargers at Kelso working, (Knowes car park)?

The A68 is particularly poorly served, as is the A7, with not one Rapid between the A720 bypass and Galashiels.

Looks like the Borders council and Argyll & Bute council are not taking EV charger provision seriously, whereas D&G is.
 

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This is from A&B's website and is truly pathetic: (and is for all chargepoints)
So no new ones at all in 20/21?

How many publicly installed electric vehicle charging points have been installed in each of the last five financial years?
  • 2015/16 - 9 installs
  • 2016/17 - 3 installs
  • 2017/18 - 3 installs
  • 2018/19 - 9 installs
  • 2019/20 - 4 installs
What is the total number of publicly installed electric vehicle charging points across the local authority to date?
There are 28 across the authority.

And here are the sensible penalties:

Penalty typeCharge
Local Penalty Charge for non EVs
-if non EV car parked in charging bay penalty applies
£60.00 fixed penalty reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days.
If paid after 28 days the fine increases to £90
Local Penalty Charge for EVs
- EVs must be plugged into charger and not just using a bay for parking
Same as above
Overstay Penalty Charge Notice – applied to CPS account£30
Maximum stay times apply for some charger types, and overstay penalties apply if you are over the maximum stay time:
  • Slow (7kw) - No maximum stay
  • Fast (22kw) - 4 hours maximum stay
  • Rapid (50kw) - 2 hours maximum stay
 

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Yes, it's not until you get across past Moffat that things improve along the A74m corridor, with a new hub at Crawford and 2 new rapids and 2 AC posts at Abington village.

Then there is a gap until Larkhall P&R which should be plugged around Lesmahagow.

Are the chargers at Kelso working, (Knowes car park)?

The A68 is particularly poorly served, as is the A7, with not one Rapid between the A720 bypass and Galashiels.

Looks like the Borders council and Argyll & Bute council are not taking EV charger provision seriously, whereas D&G is.
If you use Contactless on the rapid at The Knowes then yes, but I still cannot get the unit to validate my CPS cards, so that means paying BP Pulse contactless rates. I’ve sent another “report a fault” email to CPS…
 

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Yes, it's not until you get across past Moffat that things improve along the A74m corridor, with a new hub at Crawford and 2 new rapids and 2 AC posts at Abington village.

Then there is a gap until Larkhall P&R which should be plugged around Lesmahagow.

Are the chargers at Kelso working, (Knowes car park)?

The A68 is particularly poorly served, as is the A7, with not one Rapid between the A720 bypass and Galashiels.

Looks like the Borders council and Argyll & Bute council are not taking EV charger provision seriously, whereas D&G is.
I've been up and down the A7, it's not too bad. The leg between Gala and the A720 is short with no major towns, emergency charger at Stow ( 22kW AC), Rapid chargers at Selkirk, Hawick etc. More chargers at Gala would be good as that would also cover journeys up and down the Tweed.
 

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This is from A&B's website and is truly pathetic: (and is for all chargepoints)
So no new ones at all in 20/21?

How many publicly installed electric vehicle charging points have been installed in each of the last five financial years?
  • 2015/16 - 9 installs
  • 2016/17 - 3 installs
  • 2017/18 - 3 installs
  • 2018/19 - 9 installs
  • 2019/20 - 4 installs
What is the total number of publicly installed electric vehicle charging points across the local authority to date?
There are 28 across the authority.

And here are the sensible penalties:

Penalty typeCharge
Local Penalty Charge for non EVs
-if non EV car parked in charging bay penalty applies
£60.00 fixed penalty reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days.
If paid after 28 days the fine increases to £90
Local Penalty Charge for EVs
- EVs must be plugged into charger and not just using a bay for parking
Same as above
Overstay Penalty Charge Notice – applied to CPS account£30
Maximum stay times apply for some charger types, and overstay penalties apply if you are over the maximum stay time:
  • Slow (7kw) - No maximum stay
  • Fast (22kw) - 4 hours maximum stay
  • Rapid (50kw) - 2 hours maximum stay
Penalties are good.

Charger installation rates need to improve.
 

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By exception ( because there are so few), Dingwall, Brora, Ullapool, Thurso are sites in Highland with multiple Rapids.
Need to add Evanton and Brora to the above list of sites in Highland with multiple Rapids. PlugShare information for Brora is out of date.
 

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Update on Harthill MSA - both side of the M8 have 6, BP Pulse ABB 150kw posts (with the power from separate cabinets) although I'm not sure they are active just yet.
 

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The A68 is particularly poorly served, as is the A7, with not one Rapid between the A720 bypass and Galashiels.
Between the Edinburgh bypass and Galashiels via the A68 there are two Ospreys at MacDonald's in Dalkeith (admittedly off the A68 new road but if you are heading down the A7 its en route), a BP Pulse rapid ChargeMaster unit at Carfraemill Hotel, a CPS rapid at Lauder, a CPS rapid at Earlston, a CPS ChargeMaster rapid in Melrose and in Gala there is a CPS rapid with groundwork underway to install another. Tesco Extra in Galashiels has 4 free PodPoint fast chargers (max stay 3 hours) and nearby Asda has two BP Pulse 7kW/3 pin socket units.

Heading further south on the A68 there is a CPS rapid in St Boswells, and another in Jedburgh where you would top up as much as possible for the relatively longer remote stretch to Newcastle. Plenty rapids in Newcastle and Sunderland too.

Not so bad then!
 

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Between the Edinburgh bypass and Galashiels via the A68 there are two Ospreys at MacDonald's in Dalkeith (admittedly off the A68 new road but if you are heading down the A7 its en route), a BP Pulse rapid ChargeMaster unit at Carfraemill Hotel, a CPS rapid at Lauder, a CPS rapid at Earlston, a CPS ChargeMaster rapid in Melrose and in Gala there is a CPS rapid with groundwork underway to install another. Tesco Extra in Galashiels has 4 free PodPoint fast chargers (max stay 3 hours) and nearby Asda has two BP Pulse 7kW/3 pin socket units.

Heading further south on the A68 there is a CPS rapid in St Boswells, and another in Jedburgh where you would top up as much as possible for the relatively longer remote stretch to Newcastle. Plenty rapids in Newcastle and Sunderland too.

Not so bad then!
Not when you ninclude every possible charger but the thread is entitled "CPS Network...."

The network is growing weekly so things are improving, though no thanks to Argyll & Bute council.
 

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Between the Edinburgh bypass and Galashiels via the A68 there are two Ospreys at MacDonald's in Dalkeith (admittedly off the A68 new road but if you are heading down the A7 its en route), a BP Pulse rapid ChargeMaster unit at Carfraemill Hotel, a CPS rapid at Lauder, a CPS rapid at Earlston, a CPS ChargeMaster rapid in Melrose and in Gala there is a CPS rapid with groundwork underway to install another. Tesco Extra in Galashiels has 4 free PodPoint fast chargers (max stay 3 hours) and nearby Asda has two BP Pulse 7kW/3 pin socket units.

Heading further south on the A68 there is a CPS rapid in St Boswells, and another in Jedburgh where you would top up as much as possible for the relatively longer remote stretch to Newcastle. Plenty rapids in Newcastle and Sunderland too.

Not so bad then!
Indeed, on the A68 used the chargers at Lauderdale, St Boswells many times, never let me down. All good, thanks Borders Council!.

Looking at A9 North of Inverness, there are double modern Circontrol Chargers (the type that lock the dispensers until RFID card is validated and dispenser selected, and that DO communicate their CCS status), at Evanton, Golspie, Brora , Helmsdale (will be three off once groundworks are finished - chargers appear to be fully connected). Dingwall has a true hub. Not too shabby.

Inverness is poorly provided for, shame on Highland Council.
 
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