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Interesting Figures :-

Yr1 Capex £741,000
Operating costs £9,000 pa
Demand Assumptions - low 10 per day / 170,000 kWh pa - high 19 per day / 390,000 kWh pa (Making £42,500/£97,500 @ 25p/kWh maybe)
Canopy production 300,000 kWh pa (Making £20,000/year if exported £75,000 if used on site car charging maybe)
Baseload of stadium complex 800,000 kWh pa
Cost of imported electricity unit 10.8p
Value of exported electricity unit 6.8p
Annual net benefit £60-80K

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Not to mention the location. 3 min from the M9 to West
10min to M9 East
10 min from M876
1.5 miles from the retail park and less than 2 miles from city centre
5 min from the Helix park.

And most important. Free to charge (for the time being at least until April 2021)
 

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Should get a snack van there :)
Still can't believe the cafe in the stadium closes at 4...
 

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Shame they didn't take the opportunity to fit 150kw chargers there. Typical public sector thinking about the present and not the future.
 

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The 150kw are still in Leeds, maybe before next elections will arrive to Scotland :rolleyes:
 

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Chargeplace Scotland is part of the problem. By making rapids free, none of the other companies want to invest up here. Third party investment in rapid and ultra-rapid chargers is almost non-existent as a result. Great to drive initial adoption, but we are past that point now and we need a better infrastructure than CPS can currently provide. I'd gladly pay for a rapid if it made them more reliable. CPS is mostly ABB and EVolt machines which are only about 70-80% reliable in my experience. EVolt marginally better than ABB.
 

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Chargeplace Scotland is part of the problem. By making rapids free, none of the other companies want to invest up here. Third party investment in rapid and ultra-rapid chargers is almost non-existent as a result. Great to drive initial adoption, but we are past that point now and we need a better infrastructure than CPS can currently provide. I'd gladly pay for a rapid if it made them more reliable. CPS is mostly ABB and EVolt machines which are only about 70-80% reliable in my experience. EVolt marginally better than ABB.
I wouldn't blame Charge Place Scotland for a decision from the Scottish government.
If there is someone to be blamed you put it on our beloved president :p
Nevertheless, why do you blame anyone for free electricity??
I've been using the network and only once I had problems with the stations where they couldn't activate it over the phone.
Usually they are fairly quick (for UK timescales) to solve answer the phone and doesn't take long to repair a faulty station.
I found out that the most common problem is people not reporting the faults but will be very keen in moaning that wasn't fixed.
Every time I emailed them I got a reply thanking for the report and the station is repaired.
 

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I wouldn't blame Charge Place Scotland for a decision from the Scottish government.
If there is someone to be blamed you put it on our beloved president :p
Nevertheless, why do you blame anyone for free electricity??
I've been using the network and only once I had problems with the stations where they couldn't activate it over the phone.
Usually they are fairly quick (for UK timescales) to solve answer the phone and doesn't take long to repair a faulty station.
I found out that the most common problem is people not reporting the faults but will be very keen in moaning that wasn't fixed.
Every time I emailed them I got a reply thanking for the report and the station is repaired.
Because free electricity drives behaviours (leading to queueing) and prevents other companies from putting in faster, more reliable chargers (not worth their efforts). CPS aren't installing anything faster than 50kW and yet most EVs coming to the market now are capable of charging faster than that. Sure I'll take the free electricity when I can get it, but I now rarely use the CPS rapids unless I have to because they are unreliable, and I can charge overnight at home for 5p per unit. So I'd rather take 30kWh at home and pay £1.50 than put up with the queueing for something that might not even work for me. (For reference I tried two CPS chargers on Saturday, one refused to work at all, and the other took three attempts before it would charge - I have found this to be the case approximately 25% of the time in the six months and 5,000 miles I've had an EV - and I've reported every single failure to them).
 

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I understand what you say but.
Public stations allow for:
socialising
freebie

I haven't found that many ICE'd stations that would be a cause for concern (except a cabbie that spends more time charging his PHEV than taking costumers around).
If I arrive to a busy station I either need to wait for a few minutes or the guy just unplugs and let me use it (the same way as I normally do)
In the end, it's all relative to each one's circumstances.
Call me a thigh git but why would I pay for anything if I can get it for free?
Ok, some times I can't be asked and charge at home :p
 

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Because free electricity drives behaviours (leading to queueing) and prevents other companies from putting in faster, more reliable chargers (not worth their efforts). CPS aren't installing anything faster than 50kW and yet most EVs coming to the market now are capable of charging faster than that. Sure I'll take the free electricity when I can get it, but I now rarely use the CPS rapids unless I have to because they are unreliable, and I can charge overnight at home for 5p per unit. So I'd rather take 30kWh at home and pay £1.50 than put up with the queueing for something that might not even work for me. (For reference I tried two CPS chargers on Saturday, one refused to work at all, and the other took three attempts before it would charge - I have found this to be the case approximately 25% of the time in the six months and 5,000 miles I've had an EV - and I've reported every single failure to them).
I've gone back through my ZAP-Map posts and at the nearest CPS Rapid to me I have tried to charge 23 times since June. 17 times successfully and 6 times unsuccessfully. This backs up my assertion of being only about 75% reliable which frankly isn't good enough. I use CCS so perhaps it is specific to CCS at these locations as they do appear to be more reliable on Chademo.
 

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If I would just use the nearest stations then I probably would report as having more issues..
IF I would say a radius of 5 miles then the rapid charges go to 3, increase it to 10 miles and I'll have Kinross 2, Dunfermline 4, Glenrothes 2, Kirkcaldy 1.5 (half because one of them is property of a taxi company)
Not to mention the 7kw wee ones :)
 

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I do use other ones (Dunf, Cumbernauld, Stirling, Perth, Inverness) but my experience has been that rapids there all offer about the same level of reliability. On my trip to Inverness I was lucky as Kingussie was fine on the way up which meant I had enough in the battery to get back to Perth as Inverness Cathedral was playing up. Inverness is horribly under-provided with only three rapids for 75k people (2 when I was there last)
 

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This is pretty retarded for a hub. While it was welcome when the stadium installed the rapid and 22kw post. The fact is during match day the chargers are closed and filled with disabled cars. They should have built the hub at the kelpies or the helix really.
 

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This is pretty retarded for a hub. While it was welcome when the stadium installed the rapid and 22kw post. The fact is during match day the chargers are closed and filled with disabled cars. They should have built the hub at the kelpies or the helix really.
I still think that what they are doing is one of the best hubs in the central belt.
But maybe because I don't like football ;)
What I really like about it is the location between the motorway junctions. Is almost like a really big Formula 1 pit stop :cool:
 
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