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Hi everybody,

My name is Matthew and I am an electrician for The Phoenix Works, specialising in the installation of renewables and electric vehicle charging stations.

I'm not here to plug anything but am looking for a recommendation.

I have a client who has enquired about a 3-phase, 21kW charging station for a Tesla model S. I have a few charging stations in mind but was wondering if any body could recommend a good/nice solution?

Thanks in advance,

Matt
 

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I would assume that a ZCW-type charger would be perfect - but they no longer sell them. Maybe Kevin can DM you with details of a Mainpine dealer.
 

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Thanks, the ZCW charger would be just the job. Hopefully Kevin will let me know if it's still possible to purchase them?
 

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Would somebody mind explaining how a Tesla Model S would charge up from a Type 2 sockets - i guess a converting cable must be available?

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Would somebody mind explaining how a Tesla Model S would charge up from a Type 2 sockets - i guess a converting cable must be available?
The Tesla Model S European models have a Type 2 socket on the car;

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When it comes to charging you can use a 'rapid' Charging Station with a Type 2 fixed cable (such as the dual/triple head 'chargers' at service stations), a 'fast' Charging Station with a Type 2 fixed cable (such as installed at home), a 'fast' Charging Station with a Type 2 socket (such as installed in a car park or Hotel) using a Type 2 to Type 2 cable (single or three phase), and even a 'fast' portable EVSE that plugs into 'commando' sockets.

The car supports both single phase and three phase charging automatically at ~10kW or ~20kW (if the dual charger option is purchased).

ZCW (and now Mainpine) have a lot of European customers using the ~7kW and ~22kW Type 2 socket Charging Stations with the Model S :)
 

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Thanks Kevin, that's really handy. I was the under the impression that Tesla converter lead was required but perhaps that only applied to the very early Roadsters that came into the UK?
 

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Thanks Kevin, that's really handy. I was the under the impression that Tesla converter lead was required but perhaps that only applied to the very early Roadsters that came into the UK?
You are correct the Tesla Roadster and a few Model S 'grey' imports from the US have proprietary connectors that require converter cables. However, European/UK production Model S has Type 2 which is the European standard connector used on the BMW i3, e-up!, etc. :)
 

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European Model S can plug into a 3 phase through the mobile connector that comes with the car, (see http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/all/themes/tesla/files/pdf/Utility_Outlet_Charging_EN_v7.pdf) what extra benefit does it give turning it into a type 2 via the charging station,
That adapter is limited to 16A per phase, but a 3-phase EVSE unit will allow up to 32A per phase. For some reason the current model S vehicles seem to go no higher than 26A, but even that is a lot better than 16A.
 

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Ah - I thought he was referring to the superchargers
They may have made commitments about the Superchargers, but I'm referring to commitments made to Model S owners who have been complaining for a long time about the inability to use the full potential of 22kW Charging which I think everyone sees as silly.
 

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what extra benefit does it give turning it into a type 2 via the charging station
Remember that in the UK you'll get the blue commando socket which is 32A single phase ~7kW. I would imagine that you can buy the red adapter for traveling in Europe.

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at 'rapid' charging stations including those at the motorway services. You will not require a cable for this (it's permanently fixed onto the rapid charger).

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at 'fast' Type 2 charging stations including those at some destination locations. This will require a 32A 3 Phase Type 2 to Type 2 cable.

You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at 'fast' Type 2 charging stations including those at some destination locations. This will require a 32A 1 or 3 Phase Type 2 to Type 2 cable.

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at red commando sockets including those at some European destination locations. This will require the Tesla Mobile Connector and red commando adaptor.

You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at blue commando sockets including those at some destination locations. This will require the Tesla Mobile Connector and blue commando adaptor.

Note: ~22kW charging requires the optional second charger in the Model S which has a ~10kW standard charger. I would recommend everyone buys the 22kW because it's so much faster :)
 

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Remember that in the UK you'll get the blue commando socket which is 32A single phase ~7kW. I would imagine that you can buy the red adapter for traveling in Europe.

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at 'rapid' charging stations including those at the motorway services. You will not require a cable for this (it's permanently fixed onto the rapid charger).

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at 'fast' Type 2 charging stations including those at some destination locations. This will require a 32A 3 Phase Type 2 to Type 2 cable.

You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at 'fast' Type 2 charging stations including those at some destination locations. This will require a 32A 1 or 3 Phase Type 2 to Type 2 cable.

You will be able to charge at 32A 3 phase ~22kW at red commando sockets including those at some European destination locations. This will require the Tesla Mobile Connector and red commando adaptor.

You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at blue commando sockets including those at some destination locations. This will require the Tesla Mobile Connector and blue commando adaptor.

Note: ~22kW charging requires the optional second charger in the Model S which has a ~10kW standard charger. I would recommend everyone buys the 22kW because it's so much faster :)
Cool thanks for the breakdown, very useful
 

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You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at 'fast' Type 2 charging stations including those at some destination locations. This will require a 32A 1 or 3 Phase Type 2 to Type 2 cable.

You will be able to charge at 32A 1 phase ~7kW at blue commando sockets including those at some destination locations. This will require the Tesla Mobile Connector and blue commando adaptor.
Ok so it seems its only really an advantage to convert the red three phase into type 2, for the UK with the single phase blue plugs its basically the same as a single phase type 2
 

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Ok so it seems its only really an advantage to convert the red three phase into type 2, for the UK with the single phase blue plugs its basically the same as a single phase type 2
Blue commando and single phase Type 2 are both 32A ~7kW. Blue commando is widely used in commercial locations in the UK and some early ZeroNet sites but it's much easier to find a Type 2 Charging Station today :)

Red commando and three phase Type 2 are both 32A ~22kW. Red command is widely available in Europe in streets (used for outdoor power at markets, etc), hotels, and even Charging Stations. Type 2 Charging Stations are becoming more common but at the last WAVE we charged almost exclusively on red commando. In the UK red commando exists but it's much less common than blue commando.

Red and blue commando do also come in 16A versions which are physically smaller then the 32A versions. When traveling I just have a bunch of adaptors so that I can cope with anything;

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