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I've picked up from a Fluence EV group that some owners in Europe are being sent letters regarding buying out their battery hire agreement and whole car ownership. 7k Euros is the typical price I've seen posted, which is a bit outrageous considering the Fluence wasn't particularly kind with its battery pack.

Still this news can only bode well for Zoe owners, especially now that AC rapid is fast becoming legacy (thanks to the rapid expansion of Instavolt and undercutting rivals). While Legacy won't put of many folk now, going forward that and battery hire might put off a lot of prospective buyers and reduce sale-ability long term.
 

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Zoe Devotee
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€5k.... lol..... your being generous.
 

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Sorry, I should have said 'asking price'.
Mind you with battery owned, for a short range, spacious EV it might increase in value.
 

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After spending all those rentals on a battery this far, it is finally at the point where it makes real sense to get the manufacturer to take liability for it.

I'd expect Renault to pay *me* to take the battery liability off their hands.
 

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After spending all those rentals on a battery this far, it is finally at the point where it makes real sense to get the manufacturer to take liability for it.

I'd expect Renault to pay *me* to take the battery liability off their hands.
As it happens.....

The conversation I was having was slightly lost in translation. Apparently in Germany Renault are offering to buy back Fluence for €3k or €9k if you put it towards a new Renault or Dacia.
 

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I've picked up from a Fluence EV group that some owners in Europe are being sent letters regarding buying out their battery hire agreement and whole car ownership.
I told you and even gave you the timeline !
Never said it would be cheap, and was/still am a little fuzzy on the timeline, but its coming.
 

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What possible motivation would anyone have for doing that now? I'm bewildered.
 

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What possible motivation would anyone have for doing that now? I'm bewildered.
Yeah especially as they mucked about with the firmware to squeeze more out of an already ageing battery.

Later on though when they really want to shift liability of 1000’s of replacements they will offer them at reasonable prices.
 

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Yeah especially as they mucked about with the firmware to squeeze more out of an already ageing battery.

Later on though when they really want to shift liability of 1000’s of replacements they will offer them at reasonable prices.
..... 10's of batteries.....
 

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I did, and asked you to trust me on it. You replied I had not earned your trust.

Still lets not get too hasty - its not happened yet for the Zoe, but it will ! I would say trust me but not going to - lol
 

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I did, and asked you to trust me on it. You replied I had not earned your trust.

Still lets not get too hasty - its not happened yet for the Zoe, but it will ! I would say trust me but not going to - lol

Having a senior moment, feel free to cross link the post. ;)

Anyhoo, Renault have confirmed battery hire for the new for 2019 50kwh Zoe. Even though its now long since been proven (as far as most are concerned) that battery deg isn't a thing. So why stick with battery hire? If they Zoe was going to be considerably cheaper than the raft of new competition, but it doesn't seem like it is at this early stage.

So looks like all those who bought when battery hire was the only option will be locked into it for many years to come.
 

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My experience:
My Fluence ZE stopped completely, due to battery failure. SOH is 64%. Car has now 90k km, registered in 2013. Battery pack was the first fitted to the car in 2012. Battery has lease contract active with all payments done, therefore, under warranty.
Car is stopped since July, at the dealer, waiting Renault (RCI) to serve a new replacement battery pack.
There are no forecast of when or if said battery is due to arrive.
Renault offered 3000€ to buy back the car.
Battery hire can continue until dooms day, they don't really care about the car asking price. The batteries will always belong to Renault, and you can't resell the car because nobody is willing to accept the battery lease.
There are stories floating of cars parked just because they need a battery replacement.
The customer service is awful, they answer nothing just record your call. There is nobody you can reach out to get help, and they know it.
It's a shame.
The car itself has no other problem than the battery situation.
 

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My experience:
My Fluence ZE stopped completely, due to battery failure. SOH is 64%. Car has now 90k km, registered in 2013. Battery pack was the first fitted to the car in 2012. Battery has lease contract active with all payments done, therefore, under warranty.
Car is stopped since July, at the dealer, waiting Renault (RCI) to serve a new replacement battery pack.
There are no forecast of when or if said battery is due to arrive.
Renault offered 3000€ to buy back the car.
Battery hire can continue until dooms day, they don't really care about the car asking price. The batteries will always belong to Renault, and you can't resell the car because nobody is willing to accept the battery lease.
There are stories floating of cars parked just because they need a battery replacement.
The customer service is awful, they answer nothing just record your call. There is nobody you can reach out to get help, and they know it.
It's a shame.
The car itself has no other problem than the battery situation.
I understand that the actual cell packs within the battery module are the same as Leaf 1, which should be available. It is more tricky to get open than Leaf, and has an integral Peltier cooler in it, but potentially you might be able to find a specialist who can remove the cells and replace them.

Disgraceful that Renault would even ask for money. They should be offering owners money to release them from their battery rental obligation to replace the pack.
 

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I believe José said:
Renault offered 3000€ to buy back the car.
 

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Oh I see, I thought he meant Renault offered to let him buy the car out of the battery lease for 3k. My advice is take the money, then, and move on with your life....
 
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