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Outside the Langham Hotel off Oxford Circus 30 mins ago. Looks like they were doing escorted test drives. Couple of what looked like Execs and YouTubers.
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Nice looking car.
 

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Wow - has that thing been wrapped?

Looks like they've completely ripped off the M3 dash as well.
 

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Looks like a white car underneath. Nice satin met. blue though.
They'll sell them by the boatload if the price is anywhere near decent.
I really like the big display because it has the physical button/switch/knob built in.
 

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Wow - has that thing been wrapped?

Looks like they've completely ripped off the M3 dash as well.
Except they've avoided any high gloss reflective surfaces, included a large physical spinwheel for the screen (like an iPod), and put a secondary screen behind the wheel to make important information more easily accessible to the driver.
It's as if they've seen what Tesla did, considered it's merits and demerits, and tried to keep the good bits whilst addressing the bits which you might at best say are a bit meh.
 

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How does the 75kwh MachE get only 280 miles WLTP range whereas the LR Model 3 gets almost 350 miles WLTP range with a similar size battery? And much slower performance.
 

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How does the 75kwh MachE get only 280 miles WLTP range whereas the LR Model 3 gets almost 350 miles WLTP range with a similar size battery? And much slower performance.
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but it’s a large SUV. Expect iPace levels of range. ;)
 

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Ah ok. Bigger than the Model Y which also has much better range and performance?
While range and acceleration are important, there are lots of other considerations too.

How it drives will be interesting. Ford have produced some amazing cars over the years. Let's hope this mach e is another.
 

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Ah ok. Bigger than the Model Y which also has much better range and performance?
It didn't look that big to me. Certainly smaller than an i-pace. I think the MY is bigger. Note the LR MY is rated at 336 miles and the pictures online show it to be a bit bigger in every dimension than the M3.
I suspect the Mach-e's lower rating is more to do with it's bluff nose, much like the i-pace, and possibly some general efficiency losses.. I don't know if that's 75kWh available, so it could actually be closer to 70 usable, so not bad in that case. Aren't Tesla's almost fully unlocked in terms of available battery capacity?
 

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Upon closer inspection, it looks like the Mach-E will qualify for government grant, so the actual price will be about £54,500 for long-range and AWD. Still a good £8k more than the Polestar 2 I'm planning to get, but not as bad as I thought.

I do rather like the look of it, but I'm not sure I'm willing to wait until the end of the year.

The stats also seem to be inconsistent. The website and configurator variously claim 0-60 in <7 seconds and <5 seconds for the same car, drivetrain, and battery.
 

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Upon closer inspection, it looks like the Mach-E will qualify for government grant, so the actual price will be about £54,500 for long-range and AWD. Still a good £8k more than the Polestar 2 I'm planning to get, but not as bad as I thought.
There seems to be a fair-high chance the the government grant will be gone in next months budget.. Whether it goes immediately or is given an extra years is hard to say.
I hope I am wrong on this as the P2 won't be turninng up anytime soon...
 

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That's pure speculation. It's possible the reason we have not been given firm UK lease and PCP pricing is uncertainty about the grant.

If the grant does disappear, I will probably delay getting an EV for another 2 or 3 years and just lease another petrol or diesel car.
 

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In a world of spiralling costs of projects such as HS2 and Crossrail, and a government willing to invest £5billion in electric buses, the £132 million spent on Government Grants for BEV's (37,850 in 2019 x £3500) is like petty change.

I can't see the government abolishing the grant in the budget, if anything they should be increasing it if they intend to get people out of ICE'd cars and into BEVs.

Lets say they manage to sell 100,000 BEV's in 2020 (a yoy increase of 150%), a £5k grant is a total of £500million which is a lot obviously, but is only twice what the government is spending on Artificial Intelligence in the NHS and a quarter of what they put into preparations for a No-deal Brexit.
 
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