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Hi folks

We need to go to France on a family emergency so no time to plan and therefore ICEing.

For future reference can anyone give an idea as to the charging situation that UK drivers face in France please?

I see press releases saying that Leclerc plans to roll out 500 chargers, that Auchan is doing likewise but I don't see a huge amount of evidence.

If it helps then our routing usually takes in Menton and Narbone so we are pretty much looking at nationwide coverage
 

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Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry it just made me laugh. I've been looking at this for a year and have even done two exploratory trips into France. I came to the conclusion it was too difficult.
However, I have since registered for WAVE 2014 (see WAVEtrophy.com) and now have to get to Stuttgart for the start and back home from the Geneva area!
The Auchan rumour is true, but no info as to when! I have an RFID for that network and will be watching is the rollout occurs.
Ask me agin in July and I will be able to give 'proven' advice!:cool::cool:
 

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Thanks Brian

It isn't as easy as it sounds is it?

I have read what seem to be endless regurgitated press releases with lots of photos of supermarket chiefs shaking hands with various people but when I actually look for a point they are noticeable in their absence.

So, as a project between visiting sick relative and the supermarket which succeeded in nearly finishing her off, what are the networks from whom I should be getting RFIDs?
 

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I've driven the Tesla through eastern France a couple of times and had no real problems charging overnight and at some public car parks that had charging infrastructure left over from the 1980's. Personally, I wouldn't try it in a 'short' range BEV but wouldn't hesitate in a Ampera/Volt, i3 REx, or Tesla.
 

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Easy up guys. There are plenty of places to go in France that are not long range. I would not deter EV drivers from travelling to Pas De Calais, Normandy and Brittany. There is only one caveat you need a Type 3 cable to use public chargers and those at Renault garages.
Charging in the hotel at night and an 'opportunity charge' along the way will made things straightforward!
With BEV motoring you should take pleasure in the journey not try to achieve distances that relate more to rail and air travel!
Take it from savouring a Savignon Blanc, over a plate of Langouste, while the car charges is totally painless!
PS Jersey is also a great EV destination!
 
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Ok forgive my stupidity Brian but what on Earth is a Type 3 cable?

Is this a Type 2 for the charger end and Type 1 for the car end? If so, I have a 6.6kw LEAF so use Type 2 all the way.

My want is to get the thing to Paris. From there I can put it on the train (and I know SNCF offer charging) to Narbone.

I then need to be confident to get across the bottom to Monaco which I know is stuffed full of chargers (I think in fact is the country with the highest concentration of EV chargers per sqkm)

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Easy up guys. There are plenty of places to go in France that are not long range. I would not deter EV drivers from travelling to Pas De Calais, Normandy and Brittany. There is only one caveat you need a Type 3 cable to use public chargers and those at Renault garages.
If I'm not mistaken then @Jason Wallace drives a Leaf and is therefore constrained to 3.5kW or ~7kW charging in most of France. In reality this means 4 to 8 hours per stop if requiring a >80% charge. I also found many hotels that would trip if you exceeded 10A from a domestic socket :rolleyes:
 

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If I'm not mistaken then @Jason Wallace drives a Leaf and is therefore constrained to 3.5kW or ~7kW charging in most of France. In reality this means 4 to 8 hours per stop if requiring a >80% charge.
Kevin, There is fundmental misunderstanding here about how you opeate a s/r BEV and an even larger gap in the understanding of how far you need to travel daily - on when you are on your holidays?
Firstly you don't charge the car from empty to full very time. Always best to charge to full at night - but in transit you take charge (where you can get it), but only for the time you can reasonable afford to be plugged in! Hanging on to a slow charger to get significant range has to be planned out. Certainly the range requirements for the near continent should be modest - its all do'able in a s/r BEV! However, you must work within your availble range - live within your budget - and concentrate on have a fab time - its that easy! Sante! :cool::cool:
 
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You are not in the least mistaken Kevin

I have a 6.6kw LEAF - the best selling EV by a long margin.

Yes that does mean a decent wait for an empty to full charge but Brian's idea of a decent French lunch makes a decent dent into that!

I don't mind admitting more than a little envy for the tiny minority of Speak EV members cruising round in Teslas and believe me if I could I would but I, like most here can't and therefore won't.

It's lovely hearing what you can do, much as it's lovely hearing what Clarkson can do in whatever he is posing in this week but it isn't even aspirational let alone practical advice.

I'm happy and content to drive a decent distance - I was when I owned a Marcos and I am now that I own a LEAF. I would have been well on my way to Edinburgh right now had Cora not tried to kill my wife's grandmother so actually a trip to The Côte d'Azur does not frighten me - assuming that it is practical.
 

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Kevin, There is fundmental misunderstanding here about how you opeate a s/r BEV and an even larger gap in the understanding of how far you need to travel daily - on when you are on your holidays?
I think its wrong to assume that everyone wants to travel like that and many Tesla and Ampera/Volt drivers are tearing across Europe without extended stops... we are talking about cars and for many people they are used to transport people from A to B quickly :)
 

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You are not in the least mistaken Kevin

I have a 6.6kw LEAF - the best selling EV by a long margin.

Yes that does mean a decent wait for an empty to full charge but Brian's idea of a decent French lunch makes a decent dent into that!
Really happy you understand the challenges and opportunities :D
 

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Yes Kevin

And many of us have the cars that cope with the 95% of journeys that we make regularly.

We all have to make compromises - in my case that compromise is that the LEAF is not always the most appropriate car for a long trip. In your case and in the case of a Volt driver the compromise is that you are lugging around a whole bunch of battery / engine which are of no benefit whatsoever on the majority of your trips.

I guess in the case of your Tesla it left you with a £100k hole in your wallet too, something that the present Mrs W, and certainly that former Mrs W would ask questions over.

I appreciate yours & Brian's lovers tiff but none of this gets me any closer to an informed decision on what the best options are for taking LEAF to France
 

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I appreciate yours & Brian's lovers tiff but none of this gets me any closer to an informed decision on what the best options are for taking LEAF to France
It's very simple IMO :) If you have plenty of time and enjoy adventure then take the Leaf. If you have less time and/or like predictability then hire an extended range EV.

When I first travelled in Europe (including eastern France) it was a real adventure with hotel power tripping overnight and almost no public infrastructure that I could use (except for some 1980's sockets in car parks)... However, when I drove to Vienna last year for WAVE I could have done it in one very long day using 'fast' AC charging... and today Model S cars routinely traverse Europe.

What makes my trips possible is long battery range and 'fast' AC charging... you have neither in the Leaf so that's the challenge for you... either spend lots time charging at ~6kW en route or search out the CHAdeMO chargers :)
 

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Brian

I would have to agree with you on range. The range of both my 4 year old and of my bladder mean that a trip of 80 miles on a fully charged car, a rapid charge followed by 60 miles, being parked for 5 hours to sight see and fully charge, followed by a further 80 miles, rapid charge, 60 miles, arrive at hotel, dinner, bed, full charge is a perfect day. You don't need to string too many of those together to go a decent distance.

ZCW has put a huge effort into chargers in hotels and that's fab! I will be much happier spending the petrol saving in the hotel restaurant and bar. You'll have seen from my posts how keen I am also to see days out locations also having chargers,
 

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It's very simple IMO :) If you have plenty of time and enjoy adventure then take the Leaf. If you have less time and/or like predictability then hire an extended range EV.
Where can you hire an PHEV from? I would like to do this sometime.
 
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