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Hello all;

I am on the brink of ordering a Nissan Leaf but before I do would people just advise me on the following?

I officially live in one of the worst if not THE worst urban area for charging points, Hull and East Yorkshire. Thus does not faze me though as I see ownership as an adventure. I have been looking into EV and I am confident it will be a positive experience. I have read about the different charging point cards and think I understand which to apply for. My main concerns at the moment are as follows:

1. Should I buy a new leaf outright or is PCP a better offer. I am thinking of the batteries here. I historically have bought new cars and kept them for 8 to 10 years. Is this viable as EV's are evolving quicker and may change quicker.

2. Bearing the above in mind, what is the cost of replacement batteries should I keep a Leaf over the five year warranty period and they fail?

3. Is it worth leasing the batteries separately. The £80 a month does seem high and if the batteries are reliable and go for another 2 Years for example after the warranty would the £1500 you saved by not leasing cover a new battery?

4. Would it be best to buy a nearly new or pre registered Leaf?

5. Although I can't see it happening in my neck of the woods, how often are people ICED in charging bays? How are situations resolved? How do people react when asked or told to move?

6. Anyone from my neck of the woods to share experiences?

Thanks in anticipation for any replies.

Andrew
 

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1. Personal preference, things do seem to be moving fast, especially with the Gen3 LEAF with more range expected in 2017.
2. around £4000 ($5000) is the cost I've seen flying around. Nissan will sell you a new battery at their loss.
3. Not really
4. dunno
5. it happens more with the slower type 2 chargers which often don't have any marked out bay. I've never seen a rapid charger ICED.
6. sorry live down south now. But really LEAF's are designed for charging at home. I rarely do longer trips in mine, and when I do charge it is always ecotricity or Nissan Dealers rapids.
 

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Welcome to Speak EV @Andrew Webster :)

Personally I wouldn't buy (new, outright) unless I got an amazing deal. Things are moving relatively fast. In two or three years your battery will have degraded, probably not a great deal, but enough to make a difference. There WILL be new options on the market, your car WILL be worth less than it is now.

I think you have a choice, buy now for longer term and expect either to have reduced range or a new battery cost in the future OR lease/PCP/hire and not worry about that, but have what many see as "dead" money going out each month.

One for both the head and heart to decide I think. :)
 

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Hello all;

I am on the brink of ordering a Nissan Leaf but before I do would people just advise me on the following?

I officially live in one of the worst if not THE worst urban area for charging points, Hull and East Yorkshire. Thus does not faze me though as I see ownership as an adventure. I have been looking into EV and I am confident it will be a positive experience. I have read about the different charging point cards and think I understand which to apply for. My main concerns at the moment are as follows:

1. Should I buy a new leaf outright or is PCP a better offer. I am thinking of the batteries here. I historically have bought new cars and kept them for 8 to 10 years. Is this viable as EV's are evolving quicker and may change quicker.

2. Bearing the above in mind, what is the cost of replacement batteries should I keep a Leaf over the five year warranty period and they fail?

3. Is it worth leasing the batteries separately. The £80 a month does seem high and if the batteries are reliable and go for another 2 Years for example after the warranty would the £1500 you saved by not leasing cover a new battery?

4. Would it be best to buy a nearly new or pre registered Leaf?

5. Although I can't see it happening in my neck of the woods, how often are people ICED in charging bays? How are situations resolved? How do people react when asked or told to move?

6. Anyone from my neck of the woods to share experiences?

Thanks in anticipation for any replies.

Andrew
Hi Andrew,
Welcome to the LEAF family.
Just to let you know we have rapid chargers at a number of our dealers across the UK. I've just had a look and Trenton Nissan Dealers in Hull have one. It's normally recommended you give them a call to let them know you're coming. Have you organised a home charger yet? We work with British Gas on home installations so let me know if you'd like help setting this up?
Any further questions you have, you can find us on here, on Twitter (@NissanEV_UK) and Facebook (NissanElectricUK).
Thanks
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The charging situation is improving very slowly in E Yorkshire. There are at least 2 CYC run rapids in York, look on Zapmap. You need a CYC card for those.
There is a double type 2x 7kw post in Prospect St car park next to Post Office in Bridlington. That needs a Podpoint card.

Ignore the Renault garage pinned on the map in Driffield. They never had a charger and have no intention, I was up there 2 months ago and used what's available listed above.

You can try B&Bs as unofficial charge points, if you offer to pay for the power, (and then tell them about Zero Carbon World), they usually have a car park with a socket nearby. Not ideal but when needs must;).

The car is great, let down by public charging and our tiny minded national and local politicians.

Good luck and enjoy the ride.
 

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Hello and Welcome Andrew.
I bought my Gen 2 ex demo LEAF Acenta cash for a good price but still lost a small fortune at 14 months old, in fact most dealers did not want to buy it and if they did the max offered was only £12k (a 50+% loss from new in that short period).
Now that I'm in the trade selling the Nissan LEAF and eNV200, I can now personally recommend getting a low rate finance and low deposit PCP deal with the 3 options at the end of the term. If I had of taken a PCP then I would have only paid the actual depreciation (that's what the monthly figures are plus the small interest) and have of had no worries handing it back as it would have a Guaranteed Final Value (old terminology is balloon payment) and if I wanted just walk away from the deal, assuming the car was in good order and within mileage etc, but only paying £8-£10 per £100 mile if over the agreed term limit or part exchanging for any other model car or buy it for the GFV.
Take a current 2 year 0% PCP deal and get £3200 deposit contribution as advertised with a minimum £100 personal deposit and at the term end part exchange it for the forthcoming new 2016-2017 LEAF model with extended range.
With the car and batteries you can buy-buy or buy-rent (Flex) the option is yours to choose. Personally I would buy-buy outright even though I would be handing it back, but with Flex it is actually a cheaper route to take. It's just that mind thing about renting the batteries, but if you are part exchanging it back via the same dealership, then they take the lease over from you..... so I've been told.
This definitely is the way that I'm going to get a car in the future, if I ever need to, as I always get the urge to change cars after a couple of years.
The current Gen2 UK built LEAF batteries are performing excellently with very little degradation. There are cars with 60-70k miles and still have not lost their 12th bar, which represents 15% loss. Mind you they may be on 86% but still represents a good wear rate with those miles. You would need LeafSpy to check for the correct battery SOH. There doesn't seem to be any reports of an actual cell failure (there are 192) and if the car does then using its telematics system it informs Nissan Japan and they report it to the dealer for them to contact you. The battery warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles and is effective when the SOH guage falls below 9 bars, ie 8 bars shown, and they are repaired\replaced back to 9 bars, you do not got a full new battery pack, unless Nissan say they will for what ever reason. It's like replacing a failed engine internal component, you normally do not get a full new engine, unless deemed to be more economical to do so by the manufacturer.
 
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Welcome Andrew from a fellow EV owner in the East Riding. You are correct about the lack of charging infrastructure in the area but don't let that put you off as most charging is done at home. Iain Hyndman is your local Innovation Specialist for the Leaf and works at Trenton which does have the rapid charger. I have just started as Innovation Specialist at Evans Halshaw Leeds so can also advise if you need further help - currently on a training course but back in next week. As Colin mentions the 2 year PCP deal is a great offer at the moment. If you haven't had the opportunity for a test drive then book yourself a 7 day test drive - you won't regret it - it's a fantastic car.
 

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Thank you all for the replies, especially those local to me and GBEV for the local tips. As for the Innovation Chaps. I met with Ian today at the garage and got some more tips. I am hoping for a 7 day test drive on 1st December with a probable PCP like Colin suggested to get the car before Christmas.

Just one other thought if anyone can advise. I notice from Plugshare that a lot of bays seem ICED. What do you do? Complain at relevant location, hotel, ikea, etc or if all else fails do you get the police involved? This also goes for people charging and not returning to unhook their EV. I just wondered what experiences people have had?

Thanks again
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Thank you all for the replies, especially those local to me and GBEV for the local tips. As for the Innovation Chaps. I met with Ian today at the garage and got some more tips. I am hoping for a 7 day test drive on 1st December with a probable PCP like Colin suggested to get the car before Christmas.

Just one other thought if anyone can advise. I notice from Plugshare that a lot of bays seem ICED. What do you do? Complain at relevant location, hotel, ikea, etc or if all else fails do you get the police involved? This also goes for people charging and not returning to unhook their EV. I just wondered what experiences people have had?

Thanks again
Andrew
Parking on private land is not a police matter, all you can do is moan at the venue management. Many car parks have the send you 60 quid fine in the post type situation and EV bays would obviously qualify for that. I must get a laminate made up with my phone number. If a car finishes charging I say it is OK to unplug and plug yours in assuming you can actually get near enough.
 

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We have some properties in Hull and I have traveled over in our LEAF a couple of times over the last year. We've found the charge points at St Stephen's useful especially when staying over night at Holiday Inn Express. They are 13A plugs so you will need to bring the EVSE to use them. There is also 2 pod points in Hessle, that I understand are now in service. I think they are 32A posts so will require a pod point card and a type 1 to type 2 cable to use. I have always found Trenton Nissan to be excellent with access to their rapid charger, but sadly it is only available in dealership hours. The other dealer near the Village hotel in Hessle was awful when I asked them for a quick top-up before setting off back to Manchester as the A63 was closed. Suggesting that they send all their cars to be charged in Scunthorpe! :eek: Sounded like a lie, and probably was. Luckily Trenton stayed open a little later until we were fully charged, and we made it to IKEA Leeds.

As for any future charging infrastructure, I can tell you that when I called Hull City Council about any EV charging facilities, the lady I spoke to replied, "Electric you say? Hmmm.... We have parking for horses." :rolleyes:

The rapid charge network should bring at least one more rapid charger between Ferrybridge and the docks, but the location is sketchy at best looking at the RCN map. East Riding council seems a little more forward thinking, you should let them (& Hull Council) know how more infrastructure would make EV ownership accessible to many more people. Being reasonably flat certainly helps range as well.
 
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