[E7EV]

 

[E7EV]

 

[E7EV]

Features to spot on the above plans and the video:

24 x 350kW DC Chargers under canopy
6 low power chargers, probably 22kW AC to support Zoes etc
Bays for electric HGVs and buses to recharge
General and disabled parking
Motorcycle parking and bicycle racks
Picnic area
Outdoor gym
Air and water
Storage batteries

Inside the building:

Coffee shop
Convenience store
Airport style lounge
Ultrafast broadband connection
Meeting rooms

 

[tom66]

I like this a lot. But what's the economics model here? Are we going to see a 70p/kWh Ionity rate to justify this level of infrastructure build out?

 

[E7EV]

I like this a lot. But what's the economics model here? Are we going to see a 70p/kWh Ionity rate to justify this level of infrastructure build out?

Gridserve literature and Press Releases talk about “competitive pricing” and that it will be “competitive with the cost of home charging.” So could be anywhere between 5p and 35p per kWh. I don’t think you can call Ionity competitive at 69ppkWh.

Some revenue will come from the other services that they will offer. Rooms for business meetings, coffee shop, convenience store and maybe EV sales and rentals. They hope to have a countrywide network within 5 years

 

[Trevor Larkum]

Lots of 'attenuation' on the plan - is that a hint it's been built on a flood plain?

 

[IanRM]

I don’t get it. The road layout looks ok in the video, easy access to charging spaces. But the drawings with arrows showing traffic flow just don’t make sense.

 

[E7EV]

I don’t get it. The road layout looks ok in the video, easy access to charging spaces. But the drawings with arrows showing traffic flow just don’t make sense.

So it’s all one way and to access the car chargers you have to go around the back of the building and just before exiting, you turn right and then choose one of the four rows. Once charged, you exit on the left of the building, then around the back again.

You could well end up quite giddy, especially if you miss the right turn to go under the canopy and exit by mistake. You could be going around for hours! If you didn’t need a charge when you first arrived, you would after a few circuits around this one way system.🤣

 

[IanRM]

So it’s all one way and to access the car chargers you have to go around the back of the building and just before exiting, you turn right and then choose one of the four rows. Once charged, you exit on the left of the building, then around the back again.

You could well end up quite giddy, especially if you miss the right turn to go under the canopy and exit by mistake. You could be going around for hours! If you didn’t need a charge when you first arrived, you would after a few circuits around this one way system.🤣

Yes, but it doesn’t work like that in the video which makes more sense.🙃

 

[E7EV]

Yes, but it doesn’t work like that in the video which makes more sense.🙃

Watched the video again and see what you mean. The documents are part of the planning application so assume they are correct. The video is just for marketing, but I do prefer the traffic flow it shows.

 

[HandyAndy]

If they're proposing a queueing system with lots of chargers, but a serialised one-at-a-time impossible-to-jump-the-queue type system, this implies a potentially long, thin line of vehicles which only fans-out to N-chargers-wide at the very final few metres. So are they winding us all up in some giant spiral, like those used for herding deer (which really don't like being herded, unlike sheep!) ?

 

[Donald Allwright]

The concept of this is great, but why in Braintree? It's not on a particularly major part of the road system. It would be far better to have it just off the M25/M1/A1/M62/M6 etc..

 

[E7EV]

The concept of this is great, but why in Braintree? It's not on a particularly major part of the road system. It would be far better to have it just off the M25/M1/A1/M62/M6 etc..

Gridserve have plans to build over 100 of these around the country. This is just the first...

 

[IanRM]

Found that these are not the latest drawing. If you look at the planning permissions here the latest committee reports talks of widening the loop round to include a queuing lane on the south side.

 

[IanRM]

20/00155/VAR | Variation of condition numbers 2 (Approved Plans), 3 (Materials), 6 (Detailed Landscaping), 7 (External Lighting) and 19 (GCN License) of approved application 19/01092/FUL granted 30/09/2019 for: Proposed development of an Electric Forecourt, comprising of 24 core electric vehicle charging points, energy storage, a mix of ancillary dwell facilities, car parking, hard and soft landscaping and access arrangements off the A131, Great Notley. Variation would allow: - Updated design drawings and materials to main building - Updated landscaping scheme and lighting - Updated ecological statement | Land North Of Slamseys Farm Blackley Lane Great Notley Essex

publicaccess.braintree.gov.uk

Still seems ridiculous to me though but then you would hope that someone has spent a lot of time thinking about it and is confident it will work!

 

[E7EV]

Found that these are not the latest drawing. If you look at the planning permissions here the latest committee reports talks of widening the loop round to include a queuing lane on the south side.

Thanks. Found the particular paragraph which you refer to:

”The revised scheme widens this loop road slightly to allow for a dedicated queuing lane on the site’s southern boundary for motorists waiting to charge their vehicles. To enable this, some subtle changes to the layout have been made, such as re-positioning some of the parking spaces and storage areas.”

 

[E7EV]

Lots of 'attenuation' on the plan - is that a hint it's been built on a flood plain?

Found this in the planning document:


“Flood Risk and Surface Water Drainage

The application site is located in Flood Zone 1, where there is a low risk of flooding.
The applicant proposes to utilise a SUDs system consisting of a new pond to be constructed on the site. Outflow from the pond would be controlled into the existing ditch which runs adjacent to the A131.”

 

[simon-g]

I was thinking of queuing looking at the plan - forward-looking but possible you could get lines in future like the Tesla supercharger ones in the US around Thanksgiving. Didn't make sense given exit traffic would need to use the same road but if they've revised to let exit traffic pass then that's sensible.

 

[E7EV]

I was thinking of queuing looking at the plan - forward-looking but possible you could get lines in future like the Tesla supercharger ones in the US around Thanksgiving. Didn't make sense given exit traffic would need to use the same road but if they've revised to let exit traffic pass then that's sensible.

Can’t see queuing being an issue for a few years. But then again it might attract quite a few sightseers when it first opens. Then they’ll be destination chargers!!

 

[EdH]

It wil be a complete waste of money and resources. The £4.86m subsidy is just for the Braintree electric forecourt. The income v expenditure for that site will then show what a waste of money the development is. Chargers at petrol stations is the way to go initially