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"Hello everyone, my name is Nick, and I'm an EV-aholic . . ."

I've had my 'My Electric Avenue' Leaf for 7 weeks now, and have driven just over 3,000 miles of my 10,000 miles P.A. Lease . . . .

So I'm looking for the cheapest way to get myself a replacement, and was wondering if anyone here had any experience of buying an EV at an auction, and how much they went for ?

With increasing numbers of ex-Lease EV's being put through them, and with so little to go wrong mechanically with EV's, this must be a good place to start looking ?

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Nick.
 

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My personal view is that I would not want to buy an ex-leased EV without knowing its history/owner. Many leased EVs are not looked after by their owners as they know they will be handing it back at the end of the lease. This possible abuse has more of a potential impact on an EV than on an ICE (reduced battery capacity and range) and so for one I would only consider buying an EV second hand if it was privately owned from new and bought from a EV approved dealer.
 

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My personal view is that I would not want to buy an ex-leased EV without knowing its history/owner. Many leased EVs are not looked after by their owners as they know they will be handing it back at the end of the lease. This possible abuse has more of a potential impact on an EV than on an ICE (reduced battery capacity and range) and so for one I would only consider buying an EV second hand if it was privately owned from new and bought from a EV approved dealer.
On the flip side, they are pretty much guaranteed to have been maintained on schedule, and actually the penalties for damages are getting pretty stiff when you off hire them. So the general condition should be good.

The first check I think for any secondhand EV buyer is to see the vehicle at a full SOC, and verify it's estimated range.

My view is, if it is showing a good value here, then really your looking after the battery from that point forward will determine future performance of the battery.

Problem with auction houses is you are unlikely to be able to do this initial test.
 

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On the flip side, they are pretty much guaranteed to have been maintained on schedule, and actually the penalties for damages are getting pretty stiff when you off hire them. So the general condition should be good.
Maintenance on an EV is pretty irrelevant as far as battery capacity (and hence range) is concerned and this is probably the point I was making. With an ICE the regular servicing has a direct affect on the condition of the engine and drive train and so with an ICE I would agree with you that leased cars are likely to be serviced regularly and properly and so they generally are low risk. With an EV the servicing is not a factor. What matters is how the owner treats the battery with regard to frequent rapid charging resulting in overheating the battery, charging when nearly full, leaving at full/empty SOC for long periods etc all of which can affect the battery life.

So it is possible that you may buy an EV with reduced battery capacity for a car of that age but as you say, if you can test it before and accept the current battery condition and look after it from then on you may well have a bargain :)
 

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If you find a bargin then remember the battery on a LEAF is rumoured to cost about £4000 (including giving them your old battery), but I have never heard of anyone actually having one installed. The beauty of being an early adopter I guess:confused:
 

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Thanks for that guys,

In retrospect, I think that leasing the leaf has acted as a sort of 'proof of concept' test, to see if an EV would work for me, and the answer is an almost 100% 'yes'.

I absolutely love it !

There have been range issues (on long journeys you do find yourself driving 'between fast-chargers' rather than 'to your destination') but with only a short distance to go, and with ample charge, the Leaf is absolutely brilliant fun !
(i.e. the last leg home after a long day of 'hyper-miling' . . . )

The freedom that the near-zero fuel costs for it have been a revelation, and it's now just the excess mileage costs that are currently spoiling the party (that and the prospect of those 'stiff'damage costs at the end of the lease, with 2 kids/4 dogs/ and a very untidy driver . . .

So even with those SOC issues you mention, are there high mileage bargains to be had, with reduced range, but no battery lease, that would make otherwise ideal family runabouts ?

If anybody has any recent figures for prices at auction, that would be terriffic !

Thanks !
 

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We are definitely on the same page here.

I guess my point was, General condition of cars is important too. Dings, rips, smelling of dogs, etc. etc. All minor niggles, but can be expensive to put right.

Irrespective of where you buy a car, I'd check the battery state. At current auction sites, I suspect this will be all bar impossible :(

(that and the prospect of those 'stiff'damage costs at the end of the lease, with 2 kids/4 dogs/ and a very untidy driver . . .
You could be lucky, depends on who picks it up in my experience. We have a small fleet of 15ish cars at work, and they generally cost £100ish in off hire penalties. Some have gone back worse than others with no charge.

My last car (a Navara) had dints and stuff all over the place. I spent hours cleaning it the day before, including using those touch up crayon things to cover up most of the scuffs and chips, followed by a colour polish then wax. Went mad with Fabreze and then installed really strong air fresheners on the inside...

It was probably the cleanest it had ever been after it left the dealers.... My bill zero !!! :) The guy even commented how unusual it was for them to go back in that good a nick.

So I would say it's worth giving the car a proper wax and polish as though you were trying to sell it personally, before handing it back. First impressions count.
 

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I have always found buying cars the dings and scratches tell you as much about the mechanical condition of the car as they do the outside. Meaning If people are looking after the outside they are probably looking after it in all manners

There are some really good deals at the dealers though on ex demos
 

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If you find a bargin then remember the battery on a LEAF is rumoured to cost about £4000 (including giving them your old battery), but I have never heard of anyone actually having one installed. The beauty of being an early adopter I guess:confused:
Nissan Leaf Battery Swap:

I can see it becoming very popular when we have LEAFs reaching 7+ years old with a 60 mile range. Who knows we may have companies like Indra specialising in removing the original LEAF Battery and replacing it with a newer technology battery 100+ mile range at a cheaper price than the quoted Nissan price.

I'm sure someone will make use of the old LEAF battery to charge it from solar as was mentioned on Sunday.

In theory if you was lucky enough to have workplace charging. A LEAF could last you years and years on the original battery just as a car to commute to work and home.
 

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If you don't buy it at an auction you might buy the same car at a garage, after all that's where they buy a lot of their stock from. but it will cost a lot more at the dealers than the auction..
 

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I've bought mine off eBay after small accident and no paperwork. The owner was the Council, I'm going for the first service next Saturday and I've been told about 2.5 hour servicing time as it includes some part changes followed by recall.
Most of pictures were showing the damage, only one was showing the whole car, so I took the risk
 

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If you don't buy it at an auction you might buy the same car at a garage, after all that's where they buy a lot of their stock from. but it will cost a lot more at the dealers than the auction..
However the dealer will be carrying the risk through guarantee and warranty, but if you buy directly from the auction you carry the risk.
 
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