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Hey everyone! We took our new ID.4 out for a covid-compliant grand tour of the local area today, totaling 144 miles (mostly motorway, but a decent amount of city, village, and country lane too). My main takeaway is: this is an incredibly comfortable family car with a lot of nice tech and a lot of space, which is absolutely ideal for family trips either to the local shops and/or the Yorkshire Dales.


Driving comfort:

- The ID.4 is a big car, but it doesn't feel big. There were times I noticed its width (narrow city streets), but it maneuvers so easily thanks to its turning radius and parking camera/sensors.
- It drives very smoothly - easily the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I am a bigger guy, and I tend to start shifting around in the seat after an hour or two. But we spent a good 4 hours in the ID.4 today, and I was 100% comfortable the entire time.


Driver assist:

- I've never had anything like adaptive cruise control before, but I must say I was incredibly impressed. The follow-distance was great, the responsiveness was great, lane assist made me feel like the car was driving itself at times.
- Sign recognition was spot on - we drove through quite a bit of motorway construction today, and the ID.4 had no issues spotting speed limit changes. I will say that the speed changes due to construction signs can be rather abrupt – both decelerating and accelerating – but they happened every time.
- The cruise control adjusts to upcoming speed limit changes very smoothly, and even took me through roundabouts at a perfect speed without me needing to touch the pedals at all. I was honestly flabbergasted at how easy the car made driving.


Efficiency:
- We averaged exactly 3.0 miles/kWh on this trip. While that would be quite low for our Zoe, I am honestly impressed. It was a chilly day (9-10 degrees), most of the driving was motorway (cruise control at 70 mph), aircon was on for me and my wife had the seat heater on the whole time. For how heavy this car is (over 2.5 tonnes!), 3 mpkWh is frankly amazing on the motorway.
- The “B” mode takes some getting used to, but gives a very pleasing amount of regen. I do wish there was a way to leave it in B mode all the time, though it remains to be seen if my wife prefers D or B.


Charging:
- Not much to say on this yet – we charged it up to 100% off our 3-pin before today’s trip, which was very easy. It is nice having the option to reduce incoming AC current (on a 3-pin it drops the current from 10a to 8a in case you need to charge off a dodgy plug or an extension lead), but with that off we were steadily pulling 2.4-2.5 kW. Not sure when we’ll get the chance to try rapid charging, but we’re looking forward to 125 kW goodness!
- We haven’t found an option to schedule charging yet – that might be in the app which we haven’t been able to connect. You can tell the car to only charge to a certain percentage though, which is helpful.


What needs improvement:

- I had a devil of a time connecting my phone via android auto. It worked about half the time, and it is possible one of the other FOUR usb-c ports would be better for this, but it was a source of frustration today.
- You would think four usb-c ports would be enough, but without the standard 12v power socket I'm used to in a car (the ID.4 has one...in the boot....) those four usb-c ports get taken up quickly (dashcam, alexa auto, driver phone, and charging a kid's tablet).
- We are having issues connecting our car to the WeConnect app (though this will hopefully be solved with an over-the-air update)
- Personal preference, but I wish all-leather seats was an option. We have kids, and kids are gross, so we are pretty terrified of what they are going to do to the velour...
- This has been touched on by multiple reviews, but the glossy plastic bits really do show fingerprints quite quickly. You can tell VW knows this, as they give a large microfiber wiping cloth with the car, but for someone who hates seeing fingerprints on surfaces, it is noticeable.


Conclusion:
- We were a little worried when we bought the ID.4. Losing the plug-in grant almost killed the idea for us, and not being able to test-drive it beforehand was nerve-wracking. But we could not be happier with our purchase. Minor issues aside, we only wish it had been available sooner! We fully expect to see thousands of these on the roads soon.
 

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Great first impressions piece. How about a pic? ;)
 

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3 miles/kWh at proper motorway speeds in chilly weather is very good for a car of that size. Sounds like a real contender.
 

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3 miles/kWh at proper motorway speeds in chilly weather is very good for a car of that size. Sounds like a real contender.
Agreed, I was surprised to get 3 mpkWh when doing "real" motorway driving (aircon/heat on, 70 mph cruise control). I used to keep my Zoe between 60-65 just because the efficiency crashed so hard after 65, but the added range of the ID.4 really makes that feel unneccesary (plus the rapid charging makes pits stops a non-issue too!)
 

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Nice colour. I’m not a fan of VAG due to bad past experiences on their ICE’s, but open to changing my mind, so keep us posted in the years ahead.

The posted efficiency is good for the weight, but to make it a good car it needs to prove to be reliable because no amount of efficiency can recoup expensive repair bills.
 

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What's the real world range? It's a 77kWh battery?
The useable battery is 77 kWh, yes. 82 kWh actual capacity, which gives a healthy buffer of 5 kWh. We only have the one trip to go off of, but we were on track to hit 238 miles full-empty. It was a chilly day though, and the majority of our driving was on the motorway at 70 mph (with seat heaters on). I have no doubt it'll reach 300 miles easily in summer. :)
 

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I'm so torn on the ID.4. I went and sat in a Kona Ultimate last weekend and it was far smaller than I was expecting. The ID is much bigger, but the things the first edition is missing compared to the US version (Pano roof, wireless charging, automatic seat adjustment, lumbar, his) really tick me off. If I wait to the non-first editions to be available, they're going to be considerably more expensive, pushing it into unaffordable monthly territory for me.
My Toyota Auris Hybrid ( :sick: ) goes back on July 1st so I'm stuck in a spot for time.
 

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I do wish there was a way to leave it in B mode all the time, though it remains to be seen if my wife prefers D or B.
Surely it's just a case of flicking the mode select twice when you get in?

That said, coming from a Leaf I only ever use B mode to help regulate my speed when going down steep hills. I used the e-pedal mode a handful of times before noticing that the brake lights would come on with even the slightest lift, but it was mostly a gimmick. My wife hates any extra regen as she feels like the car is "doing an emergency stop" whenever she lifts.

Good writeup though. Looking forward to getting mine on Wednesday!
 

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- We haven’t found an option to schedule charging yet – that might be in the app which we haven’t been able to connect....
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You will need to add a charging location via the in car infotainment system under the "Vehicle" menu, and then you can schedule charging that is specific to that location. It is the map pin marker icon (second option) just below the main charging menu. Multiple locations can be added and the vehicle use gps positioning to know which location it is at, thus applying the correct charging schedule rules.
 

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Asking for a friend, honest .....

Now a few are around, practicality as a family car, 3 kids (one quite tall) coming from a Volvo XC60 ? I'd read the turning circle is the same as the ID.3, is that noticeable (presume many people are coming from a similar size car) ? Rear space ?

I think he should look at the Skoda but his wife isn't keen on the badge
 

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Asking for a friend, honest .....

Now a few are around, practicality as a family car, 3 kids (one quite tall) coming from a Volvo XC60 ? I'd read the turning circle is the same as the ID.3, is that noticeable (presume many people are coming from a similar size car) ? Rear space ?

I think he should look at the Skoda but his wife isn't keen on the badge
To Help your friend ...

I've had my ID.4 for 2 weeks, but seriously considered the Enyaq, coming from a Golf Estate Mk7. To answer the specific questions from your friend ;-) ... As you probably know the Enyaq and ID.4 are built on the same MEB Battery platform and are effectively the same size as one another, both have huge boot space (comparable to the Golf Estate - The ID.4 is 2" shorter boot than the Golf (I re-used the load-liner so know this aspect, exactly the same width), but about 6" higher/taller inside). The ID.4 is very generous in space for back seat passengers (far more leg room than the Golf had) and accommodates three 3 average width/slim adults. Turning circle for the ID.4 is good (apparently 12m!).

With the revision to the PICG £35k threshold, if I was buying now - I would probably go the Enyaq (it was a pretty close decision). But if second hand value matter to you - the ID.4 may be a preferred buy, just because of the perceived better brand value of the VW over Skoda.
 

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Asking for a friend, honest .....

Now a few are around, practicality as a family car, 3 kids (one quite tall) coming from a Volvo XC60 ? I'd read the turning circle is the same as the ID.3, is that noticeable (presume many people are coming from a similar size car) ? Rear space ?

I think he should look at the Skoda but his wife isn't keen on the badge
We are coming from a Qashqai+2, so we had a lot of space before. I'd say the ID.4 boot is a bit smaller than the Qashqai+2, but significantly more than the regular Qashqai. What is really different though is the rest of the interior space. The ID.4 is huge inside - my kids have so much legroom, even when the front seats are pretty far back, and the ID.4 is noticeably wider - it just feels massive inside. And yet it doesn't feel that massive on the road - we find it very easy to drive (even my wife, who is a fairly timid driver). The turning radius is indeed insanely good - we have no issues maneuvering it around a small car park. We considered the Enyaq, but we didn't want to wait until the autumn to get it, and once we added the options we wanted it was pretty mucht he same price as the ID.4 anyway.
 

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We considered the Enyaq, but we didn't want to wait until the autumn to get it, and once we added the options we wanted it was pretty mucht he same price as the ID.4 anyway.
same here... I actually think it will be Q4 this year if we are lucky, but more likely 2022 for most people. I was told the first edition enyaq has sold out.
If it was avaiable sooner I might have got one, but my current car has its lease expire so I wanted to swap sooner rather than later.

Also the nissan ariya and the ioniq 5 are worth looking at but again I didnt want to wait a year to start comparing different cars.
2022 will be the interesting year... more choice and more cars coming!
 

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same here... I actually think it will be Q4 this year if we are lucky, but more likely 2022 for most people. I was told the first edition enyaq has sold out.
If it was avaiable sooner I might have got one, but my current car has its lease expire so I wanted to swap sooner rather than later.

Also the nissan ariya and the ioniq 5 are worth looking at but again I didnt want to wait a year to start comparing different cars.
2022 will be the interesting year... more choice and more cars coming!
I was very excited about the NIssan Ariya, as we absolutely loved our Qashqai, but now that the specs have been released it looks...underwhelming (especially for the price). The Ioniq 5 (and Kia EV6) look very interesting however!
 

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Same boat as Tigga and Spock. Spent a lot of time looking at the Enyaq as we had an Octavia before the Leaf and my wife loved that car. But while the spec and pricing was on the website there was no word of when it'd actually launch, and by the time I'd specced the features I wanted it ended up more expensive than the ID4.

The Enyaq has a lot going for it though. The boot is slightly bigger, some will undoubtedly prefer the styling (I like the aggressive look but not the silly fake grille), it's got a more "standard" layout of controls, and there's something to be said for real, physical buttons!

Other than physical differences though, it's likely to be largely identical to the ID4 in terms of performance and handling etc due to being built on the same platform with the same motor and battery tech.

All a long winded way of saying yes, it's very roomy with ample boot space, and the Enyaq will be no different. I wouldn't want to use the centre seat for more than the occasional extra passenger though.
 

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Im curious about the enyaq infotainment system... i cant see it being different to the core of the ID firmware; only a few differences in the UI but functionally identical; it would be insane for the company to invest in developing from the ground up when they are sister company.

So it really will be a little about styling and about price. Im actually thinking about the peugeot 107, citroen c1, toyota aygo which were the same car but different styling as an example.
 
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