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If anyone is interested the OTA software update to 2.3 is due to be delivered from this Wednesday. Details here;

just a little bit confusing. First of all for those of us in the U.S. I'd assume until the DOT approves these updates it won't be released for U.S. owners of the ID4. Could be months indeed so not likely in August for us. 2nd I would have assumed the system would be set up in all the ID4's so that they would automatically, with the built in internet arrangement, be able to have the download sent to a given car via it's VIN identification. You mentioned that some "We Connect ID" had to be in the on status. Wouldn't it automatically be ON if you turn the car ON? There shouldn't be anything special to enact in order to receive these OTA updates. And you mentioned due to the size of them it would take anywhere from a half to 3 hours to download. Who is going to sit in their car for 3 hours just waiting for this download and upload to occur? Makes no sense. It should occur seamlessly without owner interaction. Can you elaborate on that one? I do get the part where one has to be IN the car and starting it up to drive before it would receive the download. That I get. But my goodness 3 hours? That seems like a very arduous task.
 

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just a little bit confusing. First of all for those of us in the U.S. I'd assume until the DOT approves these updates it won't be released for U.S. owners of the ID4. Could be months indeed so not likely in August for us. 2nd I would have assumed the system would be set up in all the ID4's so that they would automatically, with the built in internet arrangement, be able to have the download sent to a given car via it's VIN identification. You mentioned that some "We Connect ID" had to be in the on status. Wouldn't it automatically be ON if you turn the car ON? There shouldn't be anything special to enact in order to receive these OTA updates. And you mentioned due to the size of them it would take anywhere from a half to 3 hours to download. Who is going to sit in their car for 3 hours just waiting for this download and upload to occur? Makes no sense. It should occur seamlessly without owner interaction. Can you elaborate on that one? I do get the part where one has to be IN the car and starting it up to drive before it would receive the download. That I get. But my goodness 3 hours? That seems like a very arduous task.
Hi sorry, I should say it’s not my video, just one I found, so I can’t answer your questions I’m afraid. Maybe someone on here can?
 

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just a little bit confusing. First of all for those of us in the U.S. I'd assume until the DOT approves these updates it won't be released for U.S. owners of the ID4. Could be months indeed so not likely in August for us. 2nd I would have assumed the system would be set up in all the ID4's so that they would automatically, with the built in internet arrangement, be able to have the download sent to a given car via it's VIN identification. You mentioned that some "We Connect ID" had to be in the on status. Wouldn't it automatically be ON if you turn the car ON? There shouldn't be anything special to enact in order to receive these OTA updates. And you mentioned due to the size of them it would take anywhere from a half to 3 hours to download. Who is going to sit in their car for 3 hours just waiting for this download and upload to occur? Makes no sense. It should occur seamlessly without owner interaction. Can you elaborate on that one? I do get the part where one has to be IN the car and starting it up to drive before it would receive the download. That I get. But my goodness 3 hours? That seems like a very arduous task.
To answer one of your questions, “WeConnect ID” is the phone app for ID cars. The car has to be registered in your app or the update won’t be installed. I don’t know why.

As I understand it, the update downloads in the background while you are using the car. If you’re on a long journey, great. If not, it will download bit by bit on shorter journeys.

There’s lots more discussion in the ID.3 forum.
 

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First of all for those of us in the U.S. I'd assume until the DOT approves these updates it won't be released for U.S. owners of the ID4. Could be months indeed so not likely in August for us.

2nd I would have assumed the system would be set up in all the ID4's so that they would automatically, with the built in internet arrangement, be able to have the download sent to a given car via it's VIN identification.

You mentioned that some "We Connect ID" had to be in the on status. Wouldn't it automatically be ON if you turn the car ON?

There shouldn't be anything special to enact in order to receive these OTA updates. And you mentioned due to the size of them it would take anywhere from a half to 3 hours to download. Who is going to sit in their car for 3 hours just waiting for this download and upload to occur?

Makes no sense. It should occur seamlessly without owner interaction. Can you elaborate on that one? I do get the part where one has to be IN the car and starting it up to drive before it would receive the download. That I get. But my goodness 3 hours? That seems like a very arduous task.
1. The start will be july... and rest of world outside the first two waves is 'from august' other countries might have regulatory delays.... the guy is german and so it will always have a european perspective. In the absence of the VW announcement, this is just a Vlogger who is informing us what he has been told by VW.
edit: thought just occured to me, as this is starting with id3, and the id3 wasnt in the US market, I imagine the US strategy will be announce later this month.

2. It is... they use iD connect as their identification process. So you need the car turned on, ie when you are out driving, for it to download. Yeh would be nice if they use the wifi when connected but they dont. One guess is because using wifi, could enable people to more easily sniff the packets, and then work out a hack to get in and make changes. hacking wifi and the network is the easiest thing in the world to do. Lot more difficult over the celular network and more specialised equipment needed.

3. some people dont enable We Connect ID, so yes if you use it, but if you dont... he is stating it to be clear.

4. Who says you sit in the car for that long. it downloads in the background. AND you just get notifciation when it is complete. With random times and days when it prompts the servers to check for updates, and you driving for random lengths of time, it could take a week to download in the background so you may not get it till mid august! When downloaded it will prompt you to upgrade.
As he said, you dont want to jump in and out of the car for the update to happen, or you will cancel it. So I would suggest starting at night unless you know you are not going to be driving for an hour.

5. there is nothing teadious... the download happens in the background; you select to do the update, when you park up for the evening.

hope that takes some of your fears and concerns away.
 

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If anyone is interested the OTA software update to 2.3 is due to be delivered from this Wednesday. Details here;

i had just found the video too... you beat me to posting it :)
 

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According to Volkswagen, once the OTA is released, the car will go to automatically download it in the background. At that point, inside the infotainment screen a message will appear which warns that an update is available for the car. The start of the installation process must be authorized manually as the car cannot be used until the entire procedure is completed.

Volkswagen plans to offer both free and for-cost OTA updates.

There will be up to 35 control units open to Volkswagen OTA updates on future ID models, {ie 35 different areas of the car which can be modified to improve or increase functionality}



I mentioned this in an earlier post.. if you use wifi for the OTA download, then it is easy to intercept the packets and see how to create the info to provide your own download, also the f/w can be intercepted and people to hack it. This is bad and can cause people to have a whole load of bad things happen!!!
Also it means people could try to intercept or hack to obtain functionality which should be paid for... again this could be dangerous.


the following article has a lot more detail about the update process but also explains a little more about the strategy of every quater an update!
and the rational behind them being very simplistic in the the ota functionality... remember this is the first ota update to happen and we dont know what to expect... is it armagedon or serenity!?

 

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I'm gonna try the seatbelt + dumb bell + N method that our Norwegian friend (TB) uses for camp mode to keep the car on...
FWIW I took my ID.4 camping this past week and I had no issues keeping it on by just pressing the "start/stop" button on the steering wheel.... If I wasn't sitting in the seat at the time then the car turned on and stayed on as long as I needed it to.
 

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FWIW I took my ID.4 camping this past week and I had no issues keeping it on by just pressing the "start/stop" button on the steering wheel.... If I wasn't sitting in the seat at the time then the car turned on and stayed on as long as I needed it to.
With my old phev, I ran the 12v side down a few times camping… fortunately I had talked the jump start battery and could get it going again.
im assuming the 12v side will be charged from the EV battery! Just worried if I leave it on too long, I’ll be screwed!
 

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With my old phev, I ran the 12v side down a few times camping… fortunately I had talked the jump start battery and could get it going again.
im assuming the 12v side will be charged from the EV battery! Just worried if I leave it on too long, I’ll be screwed!
I was a little worried about that, but I only needed the 12v for when I was filling the air mattress, and I assumed that since the car was fully on (the 12v doesn't work without the car fully on...) then it would be topping up the 12v from the traction battery.
 
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