ID3 Software Update V3
1 - 20 of 53 Posts
Joined
·
599 Posts
Just leave it 8 hours.
I think Battery Life on YouTube said that there are 2 red lights (handbrake/park perhaps?) and they go out when its done? Make sure they are lit a few mins after you've hit go to be sure!
Out of interest what does V3 bring to the ID3? We have ME3 on our Enyaq and ME3.1/3.2 now coming pre-installed on new cars, wondering do they align to the VW V.x releases? ME3 made ours OTA'able, it appears we skipped that part of V2.3/2.4, and required a dealer visit to get it installed. But 3.1/3.2 should now be OTA sometime in Q1 next year for 3.1. Bit frustrating they are romping on with new point releases on new cars but not catching up existing cars, they seem to be struggling with it from comments on Twitter.
Out of interest what does V3 bring to the ID3? We have ME3 on our Enyaq and ME3.1/3.2 now coming pre-installed on new cars, wondering do they align to the VW V.x releases? ME3 made ours OTA'able, it appears we skipped that part of V2.3/2.4, and required a dealer visit to get it installed. But 3.1/3.2 should now be OTA sometime in Q1 next year for 3.1. Bit frustrating they are romping on with new point releases on new cars but not catching up existing cars, they seem to be struggling with it from comments on Twitter.
Joined
·
748 Posts
What do you mean? Is the car unmovable during an 8 hour update? That's ridiculous.
Yes you are unable to use the car while it does the update. If they were rolling out as per how it was meant to be at every quarter, the updates would be a lot smaller and quicker. They could also allow ones that make the car undrivable separate from ones where the car can still be driven. But I might also see pigs fly given CARIADs past record of getting this right.
That’s the outside estimate, but basically yes it’s an overnight job.
You don’t have to install it, obviously, probably best left for a weekend when you won’t need the car.
Something to remind some people of. Although those on this thread already know this.
To download the update, the car needs to be switched on.
To install the software, the car needs to be switched off.
Installing software is like a computer update, you are unable to use it while it is being installed.
To download the update, the car needs to be switched on.
To install the software, the car needs to be switched off.
Installing software is like a computer update, you are unable to use it while it is being installed.
Joined
·
748 Posts
That's a poor excuse, and it does not take 8 hours to install a computer unless you installing it from scratch or something went seriously wrong. Also, most things in a PC can actually be installed while you are running and using the PC.
The garage where I bought my ID.3 last week have said they will call me back in to do the update. I think I'll wait for that to happen rather than attempting an OTA update if offered. They need to have the car in anyway to program a new spare key which is on order since only one was available with the car. They would do both at the same time.
The car updates are more akin to firmware updates though, pretty much all PC firmware updates I know of require your PC to be restarted (or at least you can't use them whilst the firmware is being flashed).
Joined
·
748 Posts
I know that, but come on, 8 hours...? That is not restart, that's extremely slow download, update and installation.
I suspect it's a combination of them being conservative and using the cheapest hardware they can get away with. I could also imagine there's still some legacy "this will only be installed once" mentality in their software designers which won't help, unlike Tesla which was designed from the ground up to be updateable.
Not sure if it’s the cheapest hardware available, but the ID models use 2 x In Car Application Server (ICAS) ‘Computers’ manufactured by Continental (yes, the tyre company).
I didn’t even know they were into all this other stuff.
New VW ID.3 E-model Equipped with Continental Technologies
Continental launches world’s first mass-produced high-performance server for cars, complete with software
www.continental.com
Tesla employ a ‘fix it fast’ mentality, regular smaller and incremental updates with quick patches (usually) to fix errors they’ve introduced in previous releases.
They too can take a surprising amount of time to install, although we’re talking more like minutes or hour, rather than ‘hours’, but then the v3.0 update is pretty big and has to update all of the modules in the car including some firmware.
Smaller software updates that I’ve had since 2.1 have been much quicker, but I guess it’s the nature of the architecture they’ve gone with, of which I don’t know much.
I've had those too. I always thought they were akin to satnav mapping updates which was why they were smaller in complexity/size.
As an aside, I found it hilarious that 2.3 shipped with the euro Cup flags, AFTER the euros 🤣. Have they never heard of the engineering mantra "take the expected time and add 50%?"
The architecture VWG uses compared to Tesla is quite 'legacy'. Tesla (from my understanding) has a main processing unit (akin to an App Server for ease of comparison). Everything integrates back to that and it controls everything. So all updates/upgrades are basically to the software/firmware that runs on this server/unit. In contrast, VWG takes a tradition automaker approach and everything in the car has its own control module that connects via a bus to other modules and they all chat to each other, rather than a single central control. VWG MEB platform has 2 app servers as Tooks mentions that looks after different things. The main infotainment I believe is run from one of them, but not sure what the split is between them.
It takes so long as it has many modules to update and needs them all to be updated before it is successful. A few of them were never intended to support OTA, which adds considerable hassle. So hopefully this is a one off pain for all MEB cars to get the modules OTA updateable and future updates should be smaller and quicker. I don't think they will ever get to Tesla levels of seamlessness due to the architecture but should get better.
It takes so long as it has many modules to update and needs them all to be updated before it is successful. A few of them were never intended to support OTA, which adds considerable hassle. So hopefully this is a one off pain for all MEB cars to get the modules OTA updateable and future updates should be smaller and quicker. I don't think they will ever get to Tesla levels of seamlessness due to the architecture but should get better.
Joined
·
748 Posts
Yes, I suspect also that they used the world's slowest and cheapest chips. My BMW needs a few minutes, and that's perfectly fine and fully acceptable.
1 - 20 of 53 Posts
