ID3 Style Pure Performance range-ometer untrustworthy

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L-R-L

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2022

I bought my ID3 in May 2021 and took it home at the end of September. Max range as advertised is 217 miles, but the reality is simply nothing like it. I find the experience of driving the car stressful, as I can simply not believe what the range-ometer says. Take today - it’s 2.5degrees and a full charge only have me 161 miles (in eco mode). For every mile I drive it’s taking at least three off the range. So that 161 miles might only be 50 miles in reality. And that’s with the air con off!
So that put an end to me using the car for a relatively short 100 mile trip - I had to rent a petrol instead (because on top of the ID3’s lies, you can’t find a reliable charging station on the M11).
Honestly, I think this WLVT business is the next car scam. We had it with diesel emissions and now it’s battery range. 217 miles!? Try 100 just about in fair weather!
I feel I’ve been seriously conned into buying what turns out to be a very expensive car for a city runaround.

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Joe298

· #2 · Jan 6, 2022

I feel like this is maybe a little bit unfair. For the length of the actual motorway itself, the M11 isn't actually too badly serviced by fast chargers. There are fast charging options at Cambridge Services, the Birchanger Services (these one's, admittedly, are shite) just off the Harlow exit for the A414, and then a new hub at the Redbridge Roundabout as you come off at the bottom, they're all 150Kw options aside from Birchanger I think. I live just off junction 5 and run an i3 and even in the cold, I have no issues getting up and down the M11 in a car that will only do 80 miles at motorway speeds in the cold and rain.

Eco mode doesn't really do very much to actually preserve the battery in most cases, it just dulls the pedal responsiveness and makes it easier to drive more economically. If you're not driving the car economically in eco mode, you're not going to get an economical result. No, you'll never ever see that car do 217 miles. Not a chance. But without conceding too much to the economy gods, I'm not having that you can't confidently complete a 100 mile trip and there's no way you're ever only going to get 50 out of a full battery unless you accidentally go commuting with your lead boots on.

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Paul-H

· #3 · Jan 6, 2022

I’ve found the gom to be pretty accurate in mine.
When it’s very cold the battery heater will eat quite a chunk in the first ten minutes then it should settle down. How fast were you driving? Defo worth putting it in eco to take the edge off the throttle(it changes the behaviour of the adaptive cruise a lot). I’d be surprised to see it drop below 3 miles per kWh unless you are pressing on. If you bought the smaller 45kwh battery I’d be expecting around 130-140 miles in very cold motorway driving.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jan 6, 2022

Joe298 said:
I feel like this is maybe a little bit unfair. For the length of the actual motorway itself, the M11 isn't actually too badly serviced by fast chargers. There are fast charging options at Cambridge Services, the Birchanger Services (these one's, admittedly, are shite) just off the Harlow exit for the A414, and then a new hub at the Redbridge Roundabout as you come off at the bottom, they're all 150Kw options aside from Birchanger I think. I live just off junction 5 and run an i3 and even in the cold, I have no issues getting up and down the M11 in a car that will only do 80 miles at motorway speeds in the cold and rain.

Eco mode doesn't really do very much to actually preserve the battery in most cases, it just dulls the pedal responsiveness and makes it easier to drive more economically. If you're not driving the car economically in eco mode, you're not going to get an economical result. No, you'll never ever see that car do 217 miles. Not a chance. But without conceding too much to the economy gods, I'm not having that you can't confidently complete a 100 mile trip and there's no way you're ever only going to get 50 out of a full battery unless you accidentally go commuting with your lead boots on.

Many thanks for the swift reply 👍. The state of the charging network is really poor in my opinion. So many don’t work or need specific apps and charge cards - it’s absolutely ridiculous.
I downloaded the Zip-Zap app yesterday, concerned about finding places to charge if we should need to. Looking today, Newmarket (S) not working, All Saints is working. Next up the road is Therford, but in these conditions doing 80 miles seems unlikely.
It feels like a major stress and risk to take with the whole family in the car, so I’ve caved and rented a regular car. I bought the ID3 thinking it would at least get me to Norfolk but, to come back to my main issue, how can you trust the range it’s giving you when you see miles swiftly disappearing at a rate of 3 to 1 with no air con, just fans keeping the windscreen clear?

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L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 6, 2022

Paul-H said:
I’ve found the gom to be pretty accurate in mine.
When it’s very cold the battery heater will eat quite a chunk in the first ten minutes then it should settle down. How fast were you driving? Defo worth putting it in eco to take the edge off the throttle(it changes the behaviour of the adaptive cruise a lot). I’d be surprised to see it drop below 3 miles per kWh unless you are pressing on. If you bought the smaller 45kwh battery I’d be expecting around 130-140 miles in very cold motorway driving.

All of 20mph and in eco mode (although noted from above it doesn’t change the picture much).
I have the Style Pure Performance 150PS, but I’m not sure if it’s 45 or 48kw. I think it’s the latter as I’m sure the first full charge took it to 230 miles. However a full charge yesterday gave me 161miles, and at the rate of consumption it appears to be giving me, there was no way I could risk it given the next dreaded hurdle of having to recharge along the way and all the headache of downloading apps and not having one of those cards.

srichards

· #6 · Jan 6, 2022

@L-R-L

What's the miles per kWh average the car is showing? Multiply that by 40 then you have a reasonable idea of what it will actually do not what a random range meter says it might or might not. Plus a bit left over.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 6, 2022

But noted re the heater using a lot in the first 10mins - I wasn’t in the car long enough yesterday or today to see if it would settle.
Overall, I think it’s just plain wrong that such a car cannot comfortably do 100miles in any weather. Does the range decrease in getting suggest a battery issue? Even in the best weather, as a city runaround it’s only done 100 miles from 100% to 20%.

Joe298

· #8 · Jan 6, 2022

Mate, if you're legitimately crawling around at 20 mph, giving the car long enough to warm itself up and get up to speed and still only getting 160 miles showing and only getting a third of that, something is wrong with the car and it needs to go into service. How much mileage have you done in the car since september? What's the duration of the trips it's making?

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proddick

· #9 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
So that 161 miles might only be 50 miles in reality

You must know that is BS? Even a 45kWh car can do well over 100 mile journey in cold weather, with sensible driving. FFS I did a week with a Zoe 22kWh in winter and coped on long journeys (see blog below). Yes it needs a bit of planning and less drama (paranoia?) but it can work fine.

Presumably you have home charging? For best range when heading on a long journey charge the car so it ends an hour before you leave so battery is a bit warmer and then precondition the cabin while plugged in. Both of those will help range. Switching off A/C is pointless, it is cabin heat that can use quite a few kWh especially as you don't have the heat pump - hence warm car on mains.

Finally, don't assume that ZapMap reports are correct unless reported by a few different users.

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Xinix

· #10 · Jan 6, 2022

I am a bit wary of this thread. 1st time posting with hard-to-believe statements?

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L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 6, 2022

srichards said:
@L-R-L

What's the miles per kWh average the car is showing? Multiply that by 40 then you have a reasonable idea of what it will actually do not what a random range meter says it might or might not. Plus a bit left over.

Just turned car on and stationary. The kWh/h next to the charge symbol is hovering at 8.4-9.6. Since the charge I’ve done 3 miles, at apparently 1.1mi/kWh.

Paul-H

· #12 · Jan 6, 2022

The gom will adjust to your current driving conditions, so a couple of days a go it was warm, now it’s cold. If you reset the trip computer it will recalculate the range. The gom will jump around a bit for the first 10 minutes and then settle down. My car is an 58kwh, over Christmas I set out with around 70% charge and got it from Bristol to ogmore by sea and back in coldish, rainy, hilly South Wales motorway so I struggle to believe you can’t get 100 miles out of your car in the billiards table that is Norfolk! Short journeys on freezing cold days do not give an accurate representation of the cars range, as you get the energy cost of heating the battery and you are tuning it off before you have the chance to average out that cost over time.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jan 6, 2022

Xinix said:
I am a bit wary of this thread. 1st time posting with hard-to-believe statements?

Not a bit of it. I’m concerned there’s something wrong with the car given how quickly the range decreases.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
Just turned car on and stationary. The kWh/h next to the charge symbol is hovering at 8.4-9.6. Since the charge I’ve done 3 miles, at apparently 1.1mi/kWh.

Having been sat in the car for 5mins the kWh/h is now hovering at 1.5 while stationary.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 6, 2022

proddick said:
You must know that is BS? Even a 45kWh car can do well over 100 mile journey in cold weather, with sensible driving. FFS I did a week with a Zoe 22kWh in winter and coped on long journeys (see blog below). Yes it needs a bit of planning and less drama (paranoia?) but it can work fine.

Presumably you have home charging? For best range when heading on a long journey charge the car so it ends an hour before you leave so battery is a bit warmer and then precondition the cabin while plugged in. Both of those will help range. Switching off A/C is pointless, it is cabin heat that can use quite a few kWh especially as you don't have the heat pump - hence warm car on mains.

Finally, don't assume that ZapMap reports are correct unless reported by a few different users.

Zoe Chargemaster Experience Week

I currently have a Zoe 22kWh (I was expecting a 40kWh!) for a week and am doing a blog. My experience may be useful for someone thinking about getting one. However, having driven EVs for a while in UK and USA my approach may differ from a newbie ;) Zoe Experience Week

www.speakev.com

Noted re heating cabin while plugged in! Am actually not sure how to turn off the heating entirely.
All I can tell you is that I got 161miles after fully charging the car. I drove 3 miles in it and that 161 now says 154 miles, and that will quickly drop as soon as I drive anywhere. On those stats I didn’t feel I could make it 110 miles in one go.

CoalPorter

· #15 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
Just turned car on and stationary. The kWh/h next to the charge symbol is hovering at 8.4-9.6. Since the charge I’ve done 3 miles, at apparently 1.1mi/kWh.

This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

L-R-L said:
Having been sat in the car for 5mins the kWh/h is now hovering at 1.5 while stationary.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 6, 2022

Paul-H said:
The gom will adjust to your current driving conditions, so a couple of days a go it was warm, now it’s cold. If you reset the trip computer it will recalculate the range. The gom will jump around a bit for the first 10 minutes and then settle down. My car is an 58kwh, over Christmas I set out with around 70% charge and got it from Bristol to ogmore by sea and back in coldish, rainy, hilly South Wales motorway so I struggle to believe you can’t get 100 miles out of your car in the billiards table that is Norfolk! Short journeys on freezing cold days do not give an accurate representation of the cars range, as you get the energy cost of heating the battery and you are tuning it off before you have the chance to average out that cost over time.

I think (!) mine is a 48kwh but it could be 45kwh. I felt relatively confident in doing the trip until I saw the range it was giving on a full charge (161mi), at which point I started to panic. Then driving around minimally added to that panic, since that rate of decrease was not going to get me far before I would have had to recharge somewhere (and haven’t had that particular joy yet).

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

Thank you - that’s reassuring. Too late for this trip but I’ll woman up for next time!

L-R-L

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

Any idea how to tune off the cabin heating? Air con if off but it may still be warming to 18 degrees.

Joe298

· #19 · Jan 6, 2022

Just for my own peace of mind, as a man saying he can only get 100miles out of his car, have you ever actually done a trip of 100 miles in it? Or even 50 miles?

Because it sounds like you’re mostly using the car for sub-10 minute trips to the shop and that’s now made you too scared to take the car anywhere and actually find out how far it will go because you think the consumption is going to stay the same and you’ll be left crying at the side of the M11.

I hope it’s not. I hope you have made a decent, sensible effort. But it’s more and more sounding like you haven’t, and if you haven’t I really think you might be an absolute flute.

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CoalPorter

· #20 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
Any idea how to tune off the cabin heating? Air con if off but it may still be warming to 18 degrees.

Well I guess you could (touch the Clima button for options), but honestly, I wouldn’t. Once you get to the “steady state” of about 1kW consumption, my feeling is that it just isn’t worth it - it’s only taking away about 3 or 4 miles from your range every hour.

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