ID3 Style Pure Performance range-ometer untrustworthy

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L-R-L

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2022

I bought my ID3 in May 2021 and took it home at the end of September. Max range as advertised is 217 miles, but the reality is simply nothing like it. I find the experience of driving the car stressful, as I can simply not believe what the range-ometer says. Take today - it’s 2.5degrees and a full charge only have me 161 miles (in eco mode). For every mile I drive it’s taking at least three off the range. So that 161 miles might only be 50 miles in reality. And that’s with the air con off!
So that put an end to me using the car for a relatively short 100 mile trip - I had to rent a petrol instead (because on top of the ID3’s lies, you can’t find a reliable charging station on the M11).
Honestly, I think this WLVT business is the next car scam. We had it with diesel emissions and now it’s battery range. 217 miles!? Try 100 just about in fair weather!
I feel I’ve been seriously conned into buying what turns out to be a very expensive car for a city runaround.

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Discussion Starter · #4 · Jan 6, 2022

Joe298 said:
I feel like this is maybe a little bit unfair. For the length of the actual motorway itself, the M11 isn't actually too badly serviced by fast chargers. There are fast charging options at Cambridge Services, the Birchanger Services (these one's, admittedly, are shite) just off the Harlow exit for the A414, and then a new hub at the Redbridge Roundabout as you come off at the bottom, they're all 150Kw options aside from Birchanger I think. I live just off junction 5 and run an i3 and even in the cold, I have no issues getting up and down the M11 in a car that will only do 80 miles at motorway speeds in the cold and rain.

Eco mode doesn't really do very much to actually preserve the battery in most cases, it just dulls the pedal responsiveness and makes it easier to drive more economically. If you're not driving the car economically in eco mode, you're not going to get an economical result. No, you'll never ever see that car do 217 miles. Not a chance. But without conceding too much to the economy gods, I'm not having that you can't confidently complete a 100 mile trip and there's no way you're ever only going to get 50 out of a full battery unless you accidentally go commuting with your lead boots on.

Many thanks for the swift reply 👍. The state of the charging network is really poor in my opinion. So many don’t work or need specific apps and charge cards - it’s absolutely ridiculous.
I downloaded the Zip-Zap app yesterday, concerned about finding places to charge if we should need to. Looking today, Newmarket (S) not working, All Saints is working. Next up the road is Therford, but in these conditions doing 80 miles seems unlikely.
It feels like a major stress and risk to take with the whole family in the car, so I’ve caved and rented a regular car. I bought the ID3 thinking it would at least get me to Norfolk but, to come back to my main issue, how can you trust the range it’s giving you when you see miles swiftly disappearing at a rate of 3 to 1 with no air con, just fans keeping the windscreen clear?

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 6, 2022

Paul-H said:
I’ve found the gom to be pretty accurate in mine.
When it’s very cold the battery heater will eat quite a chunk in the first ten minutes then it should settle down. How fast were you driving? Defo worth putting it in eco to take the edge off the throttle(it changes the behaviour of the adaptive cruise a lot). I’d be surprised to see it drop below 3 miles per kWh unless you are pressing on. If you bought the smaller 45kwh battery I’d be expecting around 130-140 miles in very cold motorway driving.

All of 20mph and in eco mode (although noted from above it doesn’t change the picture much).
I have the Style Pure Performance 150PS, but I’m not sure if it’s 45 or 48kw. I think it’s the latter as I’m sure the first full charge took it to 230 miles. However a full charge yesterday gave me 161miles, and at the rate of consumption it appears to be giving me, there was no way I could risk it given the next dreaded hurdle of having to recharge along the way and all the headache of downloading apps and not having one of those cards.

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 6, 2022

But noted re the heater using a lot in the first 10mins - I wasn’t in the car long enough yesterday or today to see if it would settle.
Overall, I think it’s just plain wrong that such a car cannot comfortably do 100miles in any weather. Does the range decrease in getting suggest a battery issue? Even in the best weather, as a city runaround it’s only done 100 miles from 100% to 20%.

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 6, 2022

srichards said:
@L-R-L

What's the miles per kWh average the car is showing? Multiply that by 40 then you have a reasonable idea of what it will actually do not what a random range meter says it might or might not. Plus a bit left over.

Just turned car on and stationary. The kWh/h next to the charge symbol is hovering at 8.4-9.6. Since the charge I’ve done 3 miles, at apparently 1.1mi/kWh.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Jan 6, 2022

Xinix said:
I am a bit wary of this thread. 1st time posting with hard-to-believe statements?

Not a bit of it. I’m concerned there’s something wrong with the car given how quickly the range decreases.

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
Just turned car on and stationary. The kWh/h next to the charge symbol is hovering at 8.4-9.6. Since the charge I’ve done 3 miles, at apparently 1.1mi/kWh.

Having been sat in the car for 5mins the kWh/h is now hovering at 1.5 while stationary.

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 6, 2022

proddick said:
You must know that is BS? Even a 45kWh car can do well over 100 mile journey in cold weather, with sensible driving. FFS I did a week with a Zoe 22kWh in winter and coped on long journeys (see blog below). Yes it needs a bit of planning and less drama (paranoia?) but it can work fine.

Presumably you have home charging? For best range when heading on a long journey charge the car so it ends an hour before you leave so battery is a bit warmer and then precondition the cabin while plugged in. Both of those will help range. Switching off A/C is pointless, it is cabin heat that can use quite a few kWh especially as you don't have the heat pump - hence warm car on mains.

Finally, don't assume that ZapMap reports are correct unless reported by a few different users.

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Noted re heating cabin while plugged in! Am actually not sure how to turn off the heating entirely.
All I can tell you is that I got 161miles after fully charging the car. I drove 3 miles in it and that 161 now says 154 miles, and that will quickly drop as soon as I drive anywhere. On those stats I didn’t feel I could make it 110 miles in one go.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 6, 2022

Paul-H said:
The gom will adjust to your current driving conditions, so a couple of days a go it was warm, now it’s cold. If you reset the trip computer it will recalculate the range. The gom will jump around a bit for the first 10 minutes and then settle down. My car is an 58kwh, over Christmas I set out with around 70% charge and got it from Bristol to ogmore by sea and back in coldish, rainy, hilly South Wales motorway so I struggle to believe you can’t get 100 miles out of your car in the billiards table that is Norfolk! Short journeys on freezing cold days do not give an accurate representation of the cars range, as you get the energy cost of heating the battery and you are tuning it off before you have the chance to average out that cost over time.

I think (!) mine is a 48kwh but it could be 45kwh. I felt relatively confident in doing the trip until I saw the range it was giving on a full charge (161mi), at which point I started to panic. Then driving around minimally added to that panic, since that rate of decrease was not going to get me far before I would have had to recharge somewhere (and haven’t had that particular joy yet).

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Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

Thank you - that’s reassuring. Too late for this trip but I’ll woman up for next time!

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Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

Any idea how to tune off the cabin heating? Air con if off but it may still be warming to 18 degrees.

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Discussion Starter · #21 · Jan 6, 2022

Thank you everyone for your input! Much appreciated. I hadn’t appreciated just how much energy is used heating up the car, and most of my journeys are pretty short so I have rarely seen the gom give an accurate picture of the miles done va the range lost.

Joe298 said:
Mate, if you're legitimately crawling around at 20 mph, giving the car long enough to warm itself up and get up to speed and still only getting 160 miles showing and only getting a third of that, something is wrong with the car and it needs to go into service. How much mileage have you done in the car since september? What's the duration of the trips it's making?

mostly short trips, but driving an hour round trip on the school run. But I think my issue is not having done enough longer journeys to get a sense of it, and then having to do 110 miles with a very low full charge, which freaked me out. But thanks to you and everyone else on this thread I have a much better idea of what the car is doing, and what it should be capable of doing in this weather, so I’ll brave it next time. (My other fear, after reading around yesterday as well as checking out Zip-Zap, is the unreliability and unavailability of charging points, and the labyrinth of apps and charge cards and all that faff that comes with what should be a simple pit-stop).

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Discussion Starter · #22 · Jan 6, 2022

Joe298 said:
Just for my own peace of mind, as a man saying he can only get 100miles out of his car, have you ever actually done a trip of 100 miles in it? Or even 50 miles?

Because it sounds like you’re mostly using the car for sub-10 minute trips to the shop and that’s now made you too scared to take the car anywhere and actually find out how far it will go because you think the consumption is going to stay the same and you’ll be left crying at the side of the M11.

I hope it’s not. I hope you have made a decent, sensible effort. But it’s more and more sounding like you haven’t, and if you haven’t I really think you might be an absolute flute.

Sorry for balking at taking a car saying it’ll only stretch to 161 miles on a full charge on a 110 mile journey complete with family, never having done remotely that far in the car before even in fair weather. Yes, I feared we wouldn’t make it.

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Discussion Starter · #23 · Jan 6, 2022

L-R-L said:
Sorry for balking at taking a car saying it’ll only stretch to 161 miles on a full charge on a 110 mile journey complete with family, never having done remotely that far in the car before even in fair weather. Yes, I feared we wouldn’t make it.

Most trips are 25mins - call it an hour there and back. I did a 40 mile round trip two days ago and it went from 195 to 97 miles on the gom.

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Discussion Starter · #24 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
Well I guess you could (touch the Clima button for options), but honestly, I wouldn’t. Once you get to the “steady state” of about 1kW consumption, my feeling is that it just isn’t worth it - it’s only taking away about 3 or 4 miles from your range every hour.

Ah, well that is one less thing to stress about.
These cars are complex things compared to a petrol!

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Discussion Starter · #25 · Jan 6, 2022

Well, thank you everyone. The weather on Saturday promises to be warmer, so perhaps I’ll brave it. I just really didn’t want to have to stop on a 110 mile journey (I can charge at the other end).
I have learned a lot from this and will spend the next month taking readings from the school run which at 25mins will give me the best sense of what’s going on in mi/kWh/h terms, but clearly those first 10mins are exactly the ones not to pay attention to as the car heats up, and it’s the overall picture which matters. I wish I’d had any longer journeys before now to work off, but I hope you understand how a city experience does not give one much confidence when it comes to suddenly doing a long journey! Hence I turned to the forums, and thank you all for your wisdom and knowledge.
Now to take the plunge…

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Discussion Starter · #27 · Jan 6, 2022

CoalPorter said:
This is showing you just why short journeys in the cold will return such low efficiency figures - the car is spending a lot of energy warming itself up.

For comparison, I made a round trip journey of 60 miles yesterday, finishing up with an average consumption of 3.4miles/kWh (cross country motoring).

The day before, I left home with an 80% charge, range estimated at 180 miles. One mile on (up a long steep climb), it was down to 140. A further mile (on the flat) and it was back over 170. Don’t read too much into the early part of a journey.

…which is much closer to what you will see whenever you stop on a longer journey (for lights etc).

EDIT: I hope you will stick with it. My experience suggests at this time of year 3-3.5 miles/kWh on a good run, comfortably over 4 in summer.

You’ve been so helpful. Thank you so much.

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Discussion Starter · #28 · Jan 6, 2022

Briggo said:
Are you basing your judgement on just short journeys then as thats what it sounds like rather than actually doing long journeys? In cold temperatures the battery heating currently uses a lot of juice, so for short journeys it appears you have really low range. Once that heaters done its job the m/kwh improves markedly.

Edit - seems you've realised with the other posts.

I’ve never done a long enough trip to see, hence the lack of confidence based on the suggested range of 161 miles at 100%.

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Discussion Starter · #58 · Jan 7, 2022

Paul-H said:
not to confuse things further but it’s both. The battery is 48kwh with a useable capacity of 45, I think mine is 62 but useable 58. A bit like how hard drives and camera sensors have a little bit that doesn’t get used, not sure why. Electronics is witchcraft 😆

Ah, yes - I forgot about the total vs usable thing.
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Discussion Starter · #59 · Jan 7, 2022

Smitten said:
Not sure this can be accurate. We have an e208 which isn't a purpose built EV and only has a 50kW battery of which 45kW can be used. I can get 120 miles at 70mph in winter conditions and about 150 in summer with same sort of driving. It was only doing 3.3 miles/kWh today in 2 degrees but a full battery at that rate would still give around 148 miles but of course you seldom go from full to empty so 120 seems reasonable. I have heater set on 21 degrees C and aircon on auto. I think battery heating uses a fair chunk on the ID3 to begin with but if you are motorway driving it should soon get up to temperature. What speed do you drive on the motorway? What miles/kWh are you getting? You are better off knowing the miles per kWh for the trip and overall average so you can see the efficiency effect of your driving style and weather on range more easily.

FYI WLTP is done in ideal conditions and not even on a road. Reality is different. Roads are wet, there is wind, there is traffic and there are less than optimum conditions. Since when has any ICE given the mpg quoted in the literature anyway

Someone above mentioned the ID3 48kwh should be able to do 174 at best but it’s cold so it will be less. I feel a bit more confident in being able to do 110 mi provided I go no more than 70mph (it’s going to feel irritatingly slow, though!).

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