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Perhaps few of you know that I had Renault Zoe (44kw) for few years. However, I had to sell and currently driving diesel Cayenne (please no swearing :ROFLMAO:) Now the time once again is for a "new" EV.
I have narrowed my choice down to BMW I3 42kw and 135 GT Zoe with rapid charger.

For around 拢16.5 I can get 2020 ZOE with under 12 000 miles, the same money will get me 2015/16 and with a push 2017 BMW I3 but with 33kw battery. The 42KW version is hard to come by and the price going up by another 拢2/3 K, teritorry I don't want to go to. Obviously the mileage for the I3's are from 30 000 upwards.

So what I would like to know if it is your money, what way you prefer to go and most importantly WHY?
Some real range per charge will be very helphull and any other info you can help with.

At the same time if someone is after almost immaculate 2012 Porsche Cayenne with under 50K miles and FSH, new MOT without advisory drop me a line and I will give you all the info you ask for..... Strangely enough I am open to consider swap for the right car as above.

On the other note....Scotland just beat Italy in the last game from the Six nation tournament 馃槀 I am 50% happy and 50% sad as Italian living in nScotland this is always a hard game to watch.....

Ladies and Gents.....you have the floor (y)
 

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BMW is better choice.

Better status than Renault.

Is Zoe not car for young women and retired?
You have some serious personality issues pal, please stay away. Every post you made here is...... (how should I say this, so I don't offend your "other" sensitive side)..... RUBBISH

This forum is for MATURED ADULTS, go play with your dolls 馃槀
 

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Really nice car everything works and was properly designed but might be expensive IF it goes wrong and has mediocre range - get an I3
Car designed after a couple of bottles of wine late one evening then throw together, will always have at least one thing broken but plenty of range to drive it to the dealership for repair - get a Zoe
 

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My unhelpful answer is if I had that kind of money I wouldn't buy either of them.

I'd probably get a windknife ioniq at 拢13-拢14k and keep the rest for a rainy day. With the efficiency and charging speed you'd probably get there quicker than in the BMW....

Sorry, following simple instructions isn't my thing ;)
 

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I鈥檝e owned both the i3 and t
Really nice car everything works and was properly designed but might be expensive IF it goes wrong and has mediocre range - get an I3
Car designed after a couple of bottles of wine late one evening then throw together, will always have at least one thing broken but plenty of range to drive it to the dealership for repair - get a Zoe
I鈥檝e owned one and leased the other and endorse this post 馃憦馃徎
 

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Perhaps few of you know that I had Renault Zoe (44kw) for few years. However, I had to sell and currently driving diesel Cayenne (please no swearing :ROFLMAO:) Now the time once again is for a "new" EV.
I have narrowed my choice down to BMW I3 42kw and 135 GT Zoe with rapid charger.

For around 拢16.5 I can get 2020 ZOE with under 12 000 miles, the same money will get me 2015/16 and with a push 2017 BMW I3 but with 33kw battery. The 42KW version is hard to come by and the price going up by another 拢2/3 K, teritorry I don't want to go to. Obviously the mileage for the I3's are from 30 000 upwards.

So what I would like to know if it is your money, what way you prefer to go and most importantly WHY?
Some real range per charge will be very helphull and any other info you can help with.

At the same time if someone is after almost immaculate 2012 Porsche Cayenne with under 50K miles and FSH, new MOT without advisory drop me a line and I will give you all the info you ask for..... Strangely enough I am open to consider swap for the right car as above.

On the other note....Scotland just beat Italy in the last game from the Six nation tournament 馃槀 I am 50% happy and 50% sad as Italian living in nScotland this is always a hard game to watch.....

Ladies and Gents.....you have the floor (y)
Zoe; expect costly problems.
BMW; expect problematic costs.
 

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My unhelpful answer is if I had that kind of money I wouldn't buy either of them.

I'd probably get a windknife ioniq at 拢13-拢14k and keep the rest for a rainy day. With the efficiency and charging speed you'd probably get there quicker than in the BMW....

Sorry, following simple instructions isn't my thing ;)
I hear you but the Ioniq is very slow charging, ZOE and I3 can take 50kw charger....or am I wrong?
 

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Really nice car everything works and was properly designed but might be expensive IF it goes wrong and has mediocre range - get an I3
Car designed after a couple of bottles of wine late one evening then throw together, will always have at least one thing broken but plenty of range to drive it to the dealership for repair - get a Zoe
For expensive you should try two leveling sensors for the Porsche, the one that control the self leveling headlisghts.....拢286 quid EACH just for the part 馃槀馃槀馃槀
 

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I hear you but the Ioniq is very slow charging, ZOE and I3 can take 50kw charger....or am I wrong?
Ioniq has CCS. Judging by what other people get it's a flat 60kw (on the faster 150kw+ chargers) until about 70% which is pretty good.


Not watched this in ages but here's the Bjorn 1000km challenge with one.

 

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Ioniq has CCS. Judging by what other people get it's a flat 60kw (on the faster 150kw+ chargers) until about 70% which is pretty good.

Honestly I didn't know that, thank you. As the saying goes: Every day is a school day (y)
 

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For background I had a brand new Zoe ZE50 GT from ONTO the week they came out, i had a Tesla Model 3 for 6 months prior to this. I had selected the Zoe as on paper it looked like the best small EV at the time. After having it a week I phoned Onto and begged them to take it away as it was the worst car I had ever driven (and i have had some real sheds). How can anyone layout swithgear so badly and how come the new version not only had all the faults of the older ones but had added some more. The only vaguely comparable car I could get from ONTO straight away was an I3 and even though I had already decided i didn't like the I3 anything was going to be better than the Zoe. After a couple of weeks I found that the I3 was absolutely brilliant so went on the hunt and bought an I3S a few months later.

Why didn't i like the Zoe -

Rejects perfectly good chargers (including all the free ones at work that I was relying on at the time)
AC won鈥檛 run whilst charging
Poor and illogical switch gear layout
Auto hold is unpredictable and doesn鈥檛 release smoothly
Parking brake doesn鈥檛 release quickly or reliably
No AEB (despite this being promised up to a month before release)
No adaptive cruise control (ditto)
Ineffective traction control
Pedestrian warning sound much too loud inside the car
Having to turn the headlights off to go from auto to manual high beam
Lack of integration of touch screen with car and switchgear
No way to disable wireless charging pad and error message
Poor error correction and lack of clear instructions
Poor manual
The utterly useless glovebox not big enough to store a pair of gloves
Creaking noises form tailgate
 

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1. Scotland were pretty jammy today.

2. Ioniq 38 seems to be superb value right now - your 拢16-17k will see a 70-21 plater - this one's a bit leggy but there's plenty out there:

 

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For expensive you should try two leveling sensors for the Porsche, the one that control the self leveling headlisghts.....拢286 quid EACH just for the part 馃槀馃槀馃槀
There was a thread on here a while back where an owner of an i3 was left stranded at the side of the road and was then presented with a 拢10,000 repair bill.

The i3 is in my opinion a cool looking car but no way would I want to own one without a warranty.
 

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We leased a BMW i3 90Ah with range extender in 2016 for three years, then extended two more and then purchased outright. It is a great go anywhere car and you don;t need to wear a hair shirt. It is fun to drive and 95% of our annual mileage electric.
 

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The advice that if you can鈥檛 afford a new BMW, you can鈥檛 afford a used one seems to apply to the i3 just as much as anything else they make. I really like the i3 and a friend who owned one loved it, but repair bills can be eye watering.
 
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