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I need ideally about 20cm ground clearance on my next car, which will be an EV.
Does yours look like it is technically feasible to raise it to that height?
 

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My car? My i3s is lower than the non-s i3 car. Doable but but expensive to take it from sport suspension's 13cm to the non-sport's 14cm clearance.

20cm is a terrible idea for an i3s. It goes against the whole idea of the car. I'd worry about stability and messing with the geometry to that extent.


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Tesla Model S and X with optional air suspension have adjustable ground clearance.

I doubt the S can get to 20cm clearance. A google search says the Model X is 22cm on maximum hight.

The upcoming Ford F-150 EV and Tesla Cybertruck will likely both have over 20cm clearance. AFAIK neither are coming to the UK.
 

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I can't give you a figure, I'm afraid, but ground clearance is critical for me - my Mum lives in the Peaks and her drive is very steep with a ledge near the top.

The Leaf 24 and 30, wouldn't go down. The 40 will. I've found you can get more ground clearance by increasing the tyre pressure - OK, so that is a bit obvious, but it does work.
 

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I can't give you a figure, I'm afraid, but ground clearance is critical for me - my Mum lives in the Peaks and her drive is very steep with a ledge near the top.

The Leaf 24 and 30, wouldn't go down. The 40 will. I've found you can get more ground clearance by increasing the tyre pressure - OK, so that is a bit obvious, but it does work.
The 17" wheels fitted to the Tekna e+ have a slightly larger rolling radius than the 16" ones I had on my Acenta. I live down a pretty rugged lane and since changing car I've not scraped bottom at one of the places it occasionally happened.

That's not of course a general rule, larger diameter wheels usually have aspect ratio adjusted so that speedometer doesn't need to be recalibrated (if anyone believes speedo calibration is ever taken seriously by manufacturers ! :devilish: )
 

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What about an MG ZS EV which has 161mm as standard?
I'd advise against significantly bigger overall wheel diameters as this may not fit and changes the geometry considerably if you are looking to gain 50mm+. You can often raise suspension by longer springs or spacers but both change the roll height of the car and the handling of the car considerably.
I would expect a version of the ID4 eventually to be sold with raisable air suspension but who knows when.
 

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You could do a few things, including going for a higher shoulder on a standard wheel (first number is width, second is shoulder height as percentage of width, third number is the rim size).

Don't forget you'll also lose 5mm through tyre life...
 

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No idea about EVs specifically, but do not trust the official figures. I had a Kia that was supposedly 160 mm and a 155 mm Skoda, but in reality the Kia was noticeably lower. Never measured it so don't know which figure (if any of them) was correct.
 

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I need ideally about 20cm ground clearance on my next car, which will be an EV.
Does yours look like it is technically feasible to raise it to that height?
Have you considered filling in some of the ruts on your track?

It would help any visitors with normal cars too.
 

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Yeah, pick axe, my fave tool, lol!
 

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The VW ID4 allegedly has 21 cm of clearance. Possibly the Skoda Enyaq would have the same.
 

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Jaguar iPace with air suspension is up to 230mm...

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Thanks for the contributions so far.
I live in the Azores Islands and sometimes we get exposed to pretty severe weather in the winter and tracks get washed away and deposited on roads.

Like most people who live in the countryside, we would prefer to have more capable cars than the average weedy Townymobile that whimpers at cracks in the road. The speed limit on the Island is only 80kmh (50mph) and there are very few places where you could do 100, so speed handling is unimportant.

Something like an Electric Suzuki Ignis, Fiat Panda4x4, Suzuki Jimny/Vitara or Daihatsu Terios would be ideal. But due to the lack of economical choice of suitable EVs, I am instead considering a relatively cheapish EV lifted a bit and using grippier tyres. The law here says you can increase tyre diameter by a max of 5% =1cm, without affecting insurance, so only another 4 extra centimetres might do it.
 

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Like most people who live in the countryside, we would prefer to have more capable cars than the average weedy Townymobile that whimpers at cracks in the road.
You just can't get over being a tiny minority in the global scheme. Economics trumps needs unfortunately.
Your needs will be serviced when the low hanging fruit of millions of "weedy Towny" people has been satisfied.
 

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You don't need a lot of range then? MadMax a Nissan Leaf...
I don't think that a LEAF would like the heat. But parts are available for the Golf.

 

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You just can't get over being a tiny minority in the global scheme. Economics trumps needs unfortunately.
Your needs will be serviced when the low hanging fruit of millions of "weedy Towny" people has been satisfied.
Thank you for your useful contribution. Now go tell 44% of the world's rural population that they are a tiny minority.
Just because you never get off the tarmac, doesn't mean billions of others don't.
 

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Thank you for your useful contribution. Now go tell 44% of the world's rural population that they are a tiny minority.
Just because you never get off the tarmac, doesn't mean billions of others don't.
Yawn, you spent weeks spouting about this on another thread a few months back. In the wealthy parts of the world, you are a minority, as tarmac roads service 99% of all journeys, with just the last 1% being off road. And you don't want a decent costly BEV 4 x4, you want some cheap franken skivvy 4 x 4 / 2wd BEV like the ICE FIAT Panda one they made.

If not why didn't you put down a deposit on a RIVAN R1T/RIS , they are being produced next year in LHD, and export it from the USA.


You cant afford it!, lets ne honest you want and high clearance franken towny car 2wd shitbox for €15k or less.

They will get to you.............................last, when Africans are the only BEV customers left not being serviced. Lets be honest, there will be more world demand for "convertable hardtop" or cabriolet BEV's before there are what you want.

Want a high ground clearance car? Sell your house and buy something decent.
 

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So, genius, you still haven't told me why SUVs have become so massively popular? The people who buy them don't get them to "do Sports", they buy them because there are virtually no other sensibly priced and sensibly sized dedicated countryside-capable vehicles around. SUVs are a ripoff.

As it is, I was contemplating getting one of these instead:
I worked on one of these and had a go with it:

And I wouldn't need to sell one of the beach properties or the farmhouse for either of those.
Problem is that it is a major bureaucratic excercise to maintain both the licence and the machine here and they are not a practical proposition for everyday use.

Thing is, I don't actually like cars and I sure as hell am not stupid enough to pay 50k for something that will probably get scratched and dented and rust away in the salt air here or get run into by some moron. I am not interested in looking after something as boring as a car.
Countryside people in general don't give a flying fart what a car looks like as long as the stupid thing works properly.
I got the 19yo Terios for a few K used and it doesn't matter about dents. In the summer it slid backwards down a steep gravel track into a stone wall. I haven't bothered to repair the dent and it still works fine.
So, I don't need a Fairywagon with 5 USB ports, Infotainment centre and arse warmers that does 150mph and spins on the spot. Nor do most of the 44% of us who don't live in cities!

Maybe this is liftable? :
 

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So, I don't need a Fairywagon with 5 USB ports, Infotainment centre and arse warmers that does 150mph and spins on the spot. Nor do most of the 44% of us who don't live in cities!
Your problem is the 44% of the world you include yourself in have maybe 1% of the worlds money. So because you are poor, or tight, they don't make new cars for you, you cant afford to buy them new and make the OEM's a profit. So they dont bother, and nether will.

In 5 years there will be lots of 20cm ground clearance cars , SUV and 4x4 etc. But not in your budget, maybe when they are 10 years old. so you should just give up and come back in 2035, and see what is in you budget on the 2nd hand BEV market.

If not, find a classic old 4x4 you like in LHD, and pay lots of money to have a specialist company turn it into a BEV for you with accident salvaged Tesla batteries and drivetrain. , like this one .

 
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