It is possible that we will now see a list price ‘vacuum’ between £35,000 and £40,000

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Alessandro Volta of Como

Discussion Starter · Mar 28, 2021

Quote from Global senior forecasting editor at AM, Dylan Setterfield

He added: “It is possible that we will now see a list price ‘vacuum’ between £35,000 and £40,000 in the same way that we saw one develop between £50,000 and £55,000 under the previous scheme, whilst at the other end of the price bracket we expect some list price inflation for those vehicles which were previously constrained by the £50,000 limit and this could benefit used values in a small number of cases.

“The biggest factor that is likely to influence used car supply and demand in the future is the availability of supply of new cars.

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SoulGW

· #2 · Mar 28, 2021

I agree, often happens with any “cut off” threshold.

Looking at the structure of the grant, what’s likely to happen I think is rather than “levels” or “models” we will see a base car at £34995 and then you will add an “equipment pack” to upspec it - this means they aren’t models in their own right, but “options” which are allowed under the rules.....

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jimbobjoe

· #3 · Mar 29, 2021

Or keep things as they are, cut prices hugely, and then make metallic paint £10k

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SoulGW

· #4 · Mar 29, 2021

How would that help?

Everyone would have a solid colour, the manufacturer would lose money and have to re-do the prices all over again?

I realise you may be being ironic or something - but upping the spec with options has been mentioned in the thread a few times.

Very odd answer.....

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Silverage

· #5 · Mar 29, 2021

One to watch here is Skoda with their Enyaq. The new £35,000 grant ceiling has nicely bisected their range with the 60 models still getting the grant and the 80 models not. There was already a £5000 price difference between the two when they all qualified for the grant, now that difference is £7500 and looks ridiculous.

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jimbobjoe

· #6 · Mar 30, 2021

SoulGW said:
How would that help?

Everyone would have a solid colour, the manufacturer would lose money and have to re-do the prices all over again?

I realise you may be being ironic or something - but upping the spec with options has been mentioned in the thread a few times.

Very odd answer.....

Yes, I was being 'funny'.
But having seen the price some manufacturers charge for paint, maybe not (£2k for a red model 3).

I hope they come up with a better answer though. I hate when the 'build your own car' feels like you actually are.
I have an Eniro, and it had came in 3 flavours. Pick one, job done.
The endless list of options that bmw/mini/audi/mb/vw etc do feels like a money grabbing exercise.
I looked at the Enyaq. Car starts at under £32k, but with a few mouse clicks I'm looking at over £40k.
It doesn't feel honest to me.
And now to contradict myself, I do like a few choices (I don't like sunroofs, but that came as part of my trim level).
But they've gone too far with it.

I haven't run the numbers, but I do wonder whether this option game actually save you money anyway.
Sure, you miss out on the grant if the car trim level includes all the toys, but adding options to a car doesn't massively increase the 2nd hand value, and looks like options costs are loaded directly into leasing prices.
Anyone compared leasing prices of a loaded Enyaq vs basic?

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SoulGW

· #7 · Mar 30, 2021

Lease calculators can't factor in options, so fit 10 options to a car that are standard on the next model up and it will cost vastly more on a lease.....

For the best example of that, with the e-Corsa the Elite Nav (top of the range) is the cheapest to lease, due to discounts and higher residuals......

So - as a rule, its cheaper to buy the model just over the spec you want than buy a lower one and spec it up.

The issue is if you want one feature only on the top model you are buying a lot of other stuff you don't want....

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jimbobjoe

· #8 · Mar 30, 2021

Yes. My point being if you buy/lease the base model to qualify for the PiCG and then add options to get it back to the trim level you wanted, do you end up paying the same/more than foregoing the grant and getting the model you originally wanted?

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SoulGW

· #9 · Mar 30, 2021

Think you'd just have to try both....

I suspect the higher spec car would be cheaper than the one with lots of options.

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