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I watched this video yesterday evening.
I though the bit with him trying to release the charging port bungs with a stick was extremely funny !.
Handy little town car and popping the kids to school, but I think it’s too expensive considering the size of both the car and the range.
I think there is stronger competition for both size and range at this price point.
A five door car, that should suggest a small family car to me, but the boot space is disappointing even for a small family car at this price.
The previous version never sold in big numbers, the difference between the ICE and the same EV models where huge.
 

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I’d happily drive an e-up instead of my e-Golf, especially as usually it’s only me in it!

I regularly drive the Golf 170 miles at a time now (well, before the obvious) with just 1 charging stop, and the e-up could do the same.

Nice little car for the money, and would fit nicely into most drivers use patterns.
 

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I’d happily drive an e-up instead of my e-Golf, especially as usually it’s only me in it!

I regularly drive the Golf 170 miles at a time now (well, before the obvious) with just 1 charging stop, and the e-up could do the same.

Nice little car for the money, and would fit nicely into most drivers use patterns.
Come on, it's no e.Golf to be fair @Tooks .
Maybe it could do the same trip, but after a couple of times it would loose its appeal I think ?.
For what it is, its too expensive I think.
 

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The e-Up is spot-on as a second EV. If you have one long range EV the other one can specialise as a city car. I adore our Tesla but the e-Up is the right car for local trips and (for my wife) parking at the primary school where she teaches (although, before we got the-Up, parking there in the Tesla next to the Micras and Aygos did prompt some awe-struck comments..!) .
 

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Yeah, it’s a great little second car granted.
But it is almost twice the price as the same fossil version really !.
The seat Mii and the Citigo are the same car as the electric VW Up and they both come in at a cheaper price.
For the money, the new Zoe has to be a better option I think.
A lot more space, bigger boot, increased range etc.
It could be used as a first or second car really.
The VW Up is a bit compact to be used as a main family car on a constant basis.
You would struggle to get a children’s buggy in the boot of an e.Up !.
It would fit in a Zoe though.
I have nothing against VW’s - I have owned at least eight cars from new over the years.
All where brilliant cars, loved them all.
I just think the e.Up is just way over priced for what it is sorry.
 

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I don’t think it should be compared to the E Golf. Different segments! The Golf also has a far superior spec - LED lights, adaptive cruise etc. As well as faster charging. I can’t remember the numbers but from other reviews I think the CCS charging on the Up is chronically slow.
 

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CCS speed on the e-up is the same as the e-Golf, at 40 kw I think.

@Carty, I agree it’s not an e-Golf, I was really just making the point that it can do everything the e-Golf can do if you don’t need to cram a car full of stuff, ie if it’s just to transport me and an overnight bag like I use my car for the vast majority of the time.

Yes, a Zoe would do the same, as would any of the current crop of small EV hatchbacks.

For some, a car is just transport, and the e-up falls into that category but it still has a character that a lot of cars miss I think.

Yes, it does seem pricey, but that’s only because VW have been knocking out ICE ups so cheaply forever.
 

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Yes, it does seem pricey
Hi @Tooks .
It does not “Seem” pricey - it is pricey !.o_O
The cheaper ICE version of the Up! had to to be sold at a price to compete against other rivals in that section.
Putting in a HV battery, motor etc can’t justify that massive increase in the price surely !.
Yeah - It does everything the e.Golf will do, gets you from A to B.
But it’s still an expensive “Shopping / School Run” car in my eye’s though.
 

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Hi @Tooks .
It does not “Seem” pricey - it is pricey !.o_O
The cheaper ICE version of the Up! had to to be sold at a price to compete against other rivals in that section.
Putting in a HV battery, motor etc can’t justify that massive increase in the price surely !.
Yeah - It does everything the e.Golf will do, gets you from A to B.
But it’s still an expensive “Shopping / School Run” car in my eye’s though.
Everything is pricey compared to your MG ZS EV though Carty! :)

You certainly get a lot of metal for the money with one of those.
 

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Price is not everything, if you are lucky enough to be able to take subjective considerations into account. We had an Evezy Zoe for a while but I found the ride and the design (both inside and out) to be unpleasant. The e-Up to my eyes is a much more elegant package, and more compact. The only alternative would have been a secondhand e-Golf but the e-Up takes up less space, has better range and was all that we needed. It was only slightly more expensive than the Skoda and Seat equivalents, with a nicer design. I don't want to have to drive a car I hate every day.

As Tom Stoppard once wrote, "if rationality were the criterion for things being allowed to exist, the world would be one gigantic field of soya beans!"
 

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It's not. The E Up has a lower voltage battery. It also throttles at 50% rather than closer to 80% in the Golf.
What is the peak CCS speed on the e-Up then?

I’ve seen the Bjorn video where he gets lower speeds, but that was in Norway in sub zero temps so won’t be representative.
 

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I don’t know the exact numbers. I usually go to fastned for charge curves but can’t see one for the Up! I think Bjorn got 35kw max. He usually puts a lot of miles on to get them up to temperature. The Golf is 40kw max so 35 doesn’t sound unreasonable.

A lot of people assume it’s the same battery as the Golf but it isn’t, it’s a lower voltage pack. So the charging speed will definitely be slower.
 

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I’ve just checked the specs and a few online EV sites, they’re all saying 40kw peak, but no real mention as you’d expect of charging curves.

Indications are though that it peaks for a shorter time than the e-Golf given VW are quoting 60 mins for 0-80% on a CCS charger, averaging 29 ish kW.
 

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Discussion Starter #19 (Edited)
e-Golf:
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According to EV Database, e-Golf max 40kW and average 39kW (10 to 80%) whereas e-Up is max 40kW but average 10 to 80% is only 30kW (48 minutes).
 
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e-Golf: View attachment 129595
According to EV Database, e-Golf max 40kW and average 39kW (10 to 80%) whereas e-Up is max 40kW but average 10 to 80% is only 30kW (48 minutes).
Which I think is the conclusion we’ve arrived at, the e-up clearly doesn’t hit 40 kW for very long given those averages.

Mind you, it doesn’t need to I suppose, it’s reason for being isn’t multiple rapid stops to cover 250 miles in a day.
 
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