Speak EV - Electric Car Forums banner

1 - 20 of 113 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,128 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-funding-to-encourage-plug-in-car-use

The mass roll out of domestic charge points made possible by this programme has also made them cheaper over time. This is reflected in the new grant scheme announced today, which will cap support at £900 rather than the maximum of £1,000 available under the previous scheme.

The new scheme will see £9 million made available to:
  • any ULEV owner and also drivers with regular access to one for work who are having a chargepoint installed at their home
  • provide up to 75% of the total cost of the chargepoint and installation, up to a maximum of £900
Details here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/323459/domestic-recharging-grant-guidance.pdf

Sounds like good news all round, but lots of new small print for the interim period (up to Sept 1st) where existing orders only can be fulfilled from existing supplies...like being in a suitable place and providing a photo of the install to OLEV.

After the interim period Householders must be able to provide evidence of ownership of, or access to, a plug-in vehicle in order to be able to qualify for the grant.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
654 Posts
Very good news. Should stop the request for EV charge points to houses where they have no intention of using them.

And the practice of suppliers "giving them away" to add value to homes.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
42 Posts
How do EV owners feel about paying £100 for installation?

All decent installers have been providing photographs of installation and electrical certificates since the scheme began so that's just business as usual. I'd like to see it extended a bit in September to include direct family members of those with EV, after all they are probably the next wave of EV owners anyway once they've listened to family raving about how great they are for 12 months!
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
11,788 Posts
Direct family members makes sense, as does those who have ordered an EV surely, otherwise the car will come before the charger. Or cart before horse, to use a half-appropriate analogy.

Overall seems sensible at first glance.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
42 Posts
I wonder whether businesses will need to pay that cost for staff to be charging their car at home. It creates a bit of a barrier for people that may not use it very often
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
42 Posts
Hmm, I suspect we'll magically see the price of the EVSE drop. Let's see. Though clearly there is going to be a *lot* less business if only EV owners can claim. That's going to hurt a lot of installers.
If the manufacturers were allowed to use a cheaper meter - and I believe they are available, then that would certainly help to get costs down.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,128 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
I wonder whether businesses will need to pay that cost for staff to be charging their car at home. It creates a bit of a barrier for people that may not use it very often
It's supposed to be 25% paid by the householder... this 'free' lark was a bit dubious.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,128 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
If the manufacturers were allowed to use a cheaper meter - and I believe they are available, then that would certainly help to get costs down.
Those that have integrated meters likely have lower costs. We'll probably see a bit of a market shakeup in who can drop the price and who can't. This is good though - driving down the price is the goal here...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,149 Posts
I wonder whether businesses will need to pay that cost for staff to be charging their car at home. It creates a bit of a barrier for people that may not use it very often
It does say "own or have access to an EV", so presumably if your employer verifies that you have access, you wouldn't have to pay.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
481 Posts
Hope I have better luck this time round and find an installer. no wanted to cover my area of the country last time (Chesterfield). However Do I even qualify I have an EV - Renault Twizy?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
42 Posts
Someone will have to pay the £100 difference - the manufacturers are saying there's no way they can reduce the cost.
Those that have integrated meters likely have lower costs. We'll probably see a bit of a market shakeup in who can drop the price and who can't. This is good though - driving down the price is the goal here...
Integrated meter models are more expensive than the ones with separate meters and we've replaced 3 circuit boards already. There's no doubt it would be great if the cost could be cut, but usually it's high volume that gets the price down so by cutting the number of charging points being installed I can't see that happening. Happy to be proved wrong though and I think that most EV drivers will pay for the £100. What I don't understand is how fleets will see this.
One of our local authorities is buying 15 Leafs and 5 vans. Some employees will be allowed to take theirs home to charge on the odd occasion when they make early starts/late finishes etc but if they want to charge quickly and safely someone is going to have to pay the extra for the charger. My worry is that this slows down the fleet take up because it's another obstacle and those who may engage with EV because they've had the chance to see how it works when they are at work. IT's really about the bigger picture and priming the market, taking it from niche to mainstream.
 

·
EV and renewables specialist
Joined
·
491 Posts
I'm glad an announcement has finally been made and we can finally start working through the backlog!

I too support the suggestion that installations are made available to EV users at additional locations such as relatives homes.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,128 Posts
Discussion Starter #16
Someone will have to pay the £100 difference - the manufacturers are saying there's no way they can reduce the cost.
Costs often have a funny way of changing when things like this happen. I'm sure some will try to push the £100 back on the consumer, right until another magically finds a 'cost saving', then everyone will suddenly find a saving somewhere.

The problem with all this 'additional location' business is that it would be impossible to police. One car, one EVSE seems pretty fair. If you want an additional one, pay for it. I'm not convinced that an additional EVSE at Granny's is really a blocker for most people.
 

·
EV and renewables specialist
Joined
·
491 Posts
The obvious route is to remove the requirement for a meter and data reporting. This adds £100-150 to the manufactures direct costs, significant time to the installer, not to mention back office management time. I would have thought OLEV would have enough data to go at from the first batch.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
481 Posts
So EV owners are excluded form having the points installed. No intensive to change EV make and Model then.

Actually the Twizy can use the EV point but needs an adapting cable. Not that hard to make/find for sale. Under the old scheme an additional point could be attached to accommodate the 3 Pin Plug, as other memebers on here can testify - At additional cost.
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
11,788 Posts
So EV owners are excluded form having the points installed. No intensive to change EV make and Model then.

Actually the Twizy can use the EV point but needs an adapting cable. Not that hard to make/find for sale. Under the old scheme an additional point could be attached to accommodate the 3 Pin Plug, as other memebers on here can testify - At additional cost.
This doesn't exclude EV owners, in fact this is for EV owners first and foremost.
 
1 - 20 of 113 Posts
About this Discussion
112 Replies
46 Participants
David Sims
Speak EV - Electric Car Forums
A community for enthusiasts of all makes and models of EV from BMW to Tesla, Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi and more. Join the electrifying discussion today!
Full Forum Listing
Top