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Tried it/used it - worked well and would highly recommend The Phoenix Works team from the experience so far. Our install isn't "typical" and has some complexities, and they've been great in dealing with what we want.
 

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Looks promising @Thomas_Newby - if anyone here tries it I'd be interested to hear how they get on.
I used it and apart from a small issue with the oversized pictures I tried to post it was fine. The payment screen went white AWOL which I think is their transaction payment supplier.

Anyway pictures got fixed, auto resize I think, and paid in the end via bank transfer.

Excellent install by Thomas himself. All good. I would recommend.
 

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Thinking about a second EV - well a PHEV Outlander to go with our I3. Its going to be a struggle to make space on the drive - we'll probably have to widen it. We have a Rolec charger unit on the wall paid for by the last grant system just before it stopped. Unfortunately, it has a tethered cable - 32 amp of whatever type the I3 takes. Its supplied by armoured cable the goes around the front of the house back to that unit they fix to monitor usage.
Any advice on how we could get a second wall charger for the Outlander? Would we be eligible for a second grant?
 

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I picked one up off ebay, a new 7kW Rolec, for £125. Not fitted, of course, but getting and fitting your own 2nd charger is not an impossible thing to do 'off OLEV', so to speak.

There's really not that much that goes into a wall 'charger'. It's a glorified relay.

I do wonder if 'grants' are a good idea for a long term implementation. A quick 6 month or 12 month 'pump priming', sure, but after that it is really difficult to tell if businesses are simply add '£X' on to the price when there is an '£X' grant.

Any business will charge what the market is prepared to pay, to maximise profits. Ergo, if consumers are prepared to pay £Y and there is a grant worth £X then a business that does not sell the product for £Y+X (their money, plus grant money) is missing out on profit. The only way a grant works is if the product being sold is exactly £(Y+X) to produce and retail (inc ROI) by the business. If it is more, then the business won't make it as they are losing money, if it is less then they are just free-loading on the back of the grant. It has to be exactly £(Y+X) for the grant to make sense. The probability of that being true is basically zero.

I'd suggest; Just go find your own charge point!
 

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Would we be eligible for a second grant?
Yes max two grants permitted per residence. Bear in mind that the DNO may need to upgrade supply in your area (i think they need to give approval before 2nd install) and you may need a fuse upgrade.

See
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418525/electric-vehicle-homecharge-scheme-guidance-for-customers-2015.pdf

Edit - Seems only DNO notification is required if supply is sufficient see
ENA - Electric Vehicle Infrastructure
 

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Yes max two grants permitted per residence. Bear in mind that the DNO may need to upgrade supply in your area (i think they need to give approval before 2nd install) and you may need a fuse upgrade.

See
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418525/electric-vehicle-homecharge-scheme-guidance-for-customers-2015.pdf

Edit - Seems only DNO notification is required if supply is sufficient see
ENA - Electric Vehicle Infrastructure
Your installer will need to undertake a maximum demand assessment for all installations (including the first).

In reality most sites have sufficient capacity for the first installation; capacity for a second depends on the supply rating and what other loads are installed at the property. Appliances like induction hobs, multiple ovens, hot tubs, electric showers etc. have the greatest impact.

It may seem a mither, but this is in part why we request a bunch of photos be uploaded and potentially undertake monitoring before installation.
 

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@proddick has prompted me to consider if there is any point in applying for a second, but I think I did not bother before because I also read;-

"Individuals who have become registered keeper of a second-hand electric vehicle on or after 1 September 2014 are entitled to claim the Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme Grant as long as they have not claimed against previous domestic chargepoint schemes."

I'm now looking at the T&Cs to 'tick' and 'understand' on pages 13 and 14 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418525/electric-vehicle-homecharge-scheme-guidance-for-customers-2015.pdf and they are contradictory statements in there, and also do not reflect the condition I have quoted.

You have to confirm BOTH of these statements:-
"I have not previously claimed a grant at this property under the Domestic Recharging Scheme (which ran from February 2013 to August 2014) or EVHS. OR my household has 2 eligible vehicles and I am therefore claiming a second chargepoint grant in relation to the second vehicle. The VRN for the existing vehicle is ………… . Or the vehicle make, model and order number is……………………………………………………………………….."
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"I have not previously claimed under the Domestic Recharging Scheme or Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme for this vehicle"

:shakes-head-in-resignation-that-the-world-is-run-by-buffoons:
 

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@proddick has prompted me to consider if there is any point in applying for a second, but I think I did not bother before because I also read;-

"Individuals who have become registered keeper of a second-hand electric vehicle on or after 1 September 2014 are entitled to claim the Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme Grant as long as they have not claimed against previous domestic chargepoint schemes."

I'm now looking at the T&Cs to 'tick' and 'understand' on pages 13 and 14 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418525/electric-vehicle-homecharge-scheme-guidance-for-customers-2015.pdf and they are contradictory statements in there, and also do not reflect the condition I have quoted.

You have to confirm BOTH of these statements:-
"I have not previously claimed a grant at this property under the Domestic Recharging Scheme (which ran from February 2013 to August 2014) or EVHS. OR my household has 2 eligible vehicles and I am therefore claiming a second chargepoint grant in relation to the second vehicle. The VRN for the existing vehicle is ………… . Or the vehicle make, model and order number is……………………………………………………………………….."
AND
"I have not previously claimed under the Domestic Recharging Scheme or Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme for this vehicle"

:shakes-head-in-resignation-that-the-world-is-run-by-buffoons:
"OR my household has 2 eligible vehicles and I am therefore claiming a second chargepoint grant in relation to the second vehicle. " That's ok then, isn't it?
 

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Your installer will need to undertake a maximum demand assessment for all installations (including the first).

In reality most sites have sufficient capacity for the first installation; capacity for a second depends on the supply rating and what other loads are installed at the property. Aplliances like induction hobs, multiple ovens, hot tubs, electric showers etc. have the greatest impact.

It may seem a mither, but this is in part why we request a bunch of photos be uploaded and potentially undertake monitoring before installation.
I don't know how long the Outlander takes to charge, but would guess that in theory we could full charge both within the Economy 7 7 hours without charging at the same time. Equally, we could probably manage without being able to do ad-hoc charging during the day on both vehicles.
It seems to me that it would be quite advantages to use this particularly as I would guess otherwise we will need another unsightly armoured cable run around the front, + space for another monitoring unit + another spare connection point on the consumer unit, which I don't think we have. I guess there isn't a device that can make sure only one charge takes place at a time?
 

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"OR my household has 2 eligible vehicles and I am therefore claiming a second chargepoint grant in relation to the second vehicle. " That's ok then, isn't it?
It looks like they are fumbling around trying to say it is OK, so long as the second vehicle is 'new'.
 

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From our thread on EV experiences...

A family's story in EV conversion...

Overall a very good experience from Chargemaster, especially on the day of the installation. As others have said, getting photos and info up front and having a good think to oneself about how the thing will be connected & the cable routed massively increases the chance of a rapid & cheap installation.

30A, socketed. A bit more cash up front but hopefully somewhat future-proofed.
 

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Just out of interest because I can't find an answer anywhere,can I get the charger and get someone to install it with the grant or do you have to go through certain installers?
 

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You can buy your own and have it fitted.

AFAIK car charge points require their own circuit from a consumer board, so unless you happen to have an existing circuit that you can 're-purpose' for that task, e.g. if you used to have a cooker in your garage and have now taken it out (hey, I can think of more bizarre scenarios!! :) ) then you'll need a qualified electrician to install it on its own new circuit.

... I am sure I will be corrected by folks here who know the As and Bs of this if I'm wrong on that.

If you are asking if you can get an OLEV charge point and have someone else fit it, no, it has to be done through someone on a given list of approved suppliers.
 

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Thanks for the reply, my car should be arriving next week,my dads an electrician so fitting it wouldn't be an issue. I'm all new to world of EV,I was planning on just using the standard charging method that comes with the leaf. Do I really need a different method of charging etc? For me to go with a company they will be charging more than the £300 mark due to it being away from my house and not being a "standard" installation
 

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Using the 'occasional' 3-pin lead all the time is not advisable as the plug/socket isn't really a reliable thing for continuous max current loading and repeated insertion/extraction. Get a good charge point installed, fit for purpose, and all that.
 

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Using the 'occasional' 3-pin lead all the time is not advisable as the plug/socket isn't really a reliable thing for continuous max current loading and repeated insertion/extraction. Get a good charge point installed, fit for purpose, and all that.
I've had my car over a year and use the EVSE that was supplied with the car all the time and it's fine, the car pulls a maximum of 10 Amps at the start of the charge cycle, I have a dedicated out door 13 amp socket and it runs completely cool.
 

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I've had my car over a year and use the EVSE that was supplied with the car all the time and it's fine, the car pulls a maximum of 10 Amps at the start of the charge cycle, I have a dedicated out door 13 amp socket and it runs completely cool.
Good luck!

Do keep checking it every so often....
 

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I've had my car over a year and use the EVSE that was supplied with the car all the time and it's fine, the car pulls a maximum of 10 Amps at the start of the charge cycle, I have a dedicated out door 13 amp socket and it runs completely cool.
Don't you find it a faf packing up and putting in car or do you just leave it plugged in? I had to use the EVSE for almost 2 years at rental house and was so thankful when we bought again and I could get a tethered. Even on the the Ampera the 6A extra makes a difference when I get home flat and need to go out later. My first EVSE melted the plug after 18 months of charging every night.

With respect, i cant see logic of spending over £30K on a car and penny pinching on proper charging. Personally, I think that the Zoe model of "free" proper charger should be a condition of getting the car grant of £2500 to £4500.
 

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Don't you find it a faf packing up and putting in car or do you just leave it plugged in? I had to use the EVSE for almost 2 years at rental house and was so thankful when we bought again and I could get a tethered. Even on the the Ampera the 6A extra makes a difference when I get home flat and need to go out later. My first EVSE melted the plug after 18 months of charging every night.

With respect, i cant see logic of spending over £30K on a car and penny pinching on proper charging. Personally, I think that the Zoe model of "free" proper charger should be a condition of getting the car grant of £2500 to £4500.
I don't find it a phaff at all, I carry it in the boot and it works fine for me, I'm sure the EVSE is also a proper charger otherwise BMW wouldn't supply it with the car.

I've just bought a 30 amp tethered charger that I may have installed at some stage if I can find someone who doesn't want a kings ransom to connect it up.
 
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