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Hi all,
The key for our Peugeot Ion / Citroen C1 / Mitsubishi IMiev has been lost :( (Actually a Peugeot Ion but this looks like the most popular forum!)

I was responsible for losing the original remote one, so we were down to the spare, and now it's disappeared.

I am not aware whether the car and key had an immobiliser. Does anyone know for sure?

The good news is that the doors were left unlocked. So, if I can confirm that it doesn't have an immobiliser I am thinking about chiselling off the steering lock and replacing it, along with new barrel and key. Unless there's an easier way.
 

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Almost guaranteed to have an immobiliser RFID chip in the key. Any car from the early 2000's on will have an immobiliser chip in the key.

You can get a replacement key from Peugeot but they are not cheap - I was quoted £200 for the full remote control key including coding it to the car. Presumably the spare standard key is less.
 

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Ah, fair enough. I am behind the times :)
So... Is there some way that they can they produce a new key without having the old one to copy?
If so that price can be justified!
 

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A specialist Autolocksmith is an alternative to the dealer: a good one can provide a new fob/key, cut the blank, and program the code
 

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Peugeot can provide a new key without seeing the old lost one, yes, because they have the key code on record from when the car was manufactured.

I'm not convinced that a 3rd party "specialist" locksmith would have access to this information, and instead would need to see an existing key - which you don't have, to cut a blank. The Peugeot one's will be cut to the factory code.

Also to program the key to the car requires use of the dealer diagnostic tool - Lexia 3 with Diagbox software in this case.

Very unlikely that a locksmith has this. Although it's possible to buy these on the grey market (I actually have one which I paid about £120 for 6 years ago for my Citroen Xantia which also works with my Peugeot Ion) it would be infeasible for a locksmith to have the dealer diagnostic tools for every make of car they're likely to encounter keys for.

If you follow the programming procedure wrong it's possible to lose the pairing to existing keys rendering the car immobile, so there is quite a high liability for a locksmith who was enthusiastic enough to go this route if anything goes wrong during the programming.

You also have the issue that they would still need to plug the diagnostic tool into the car to program the key to the car - since the car is immobile presumably at your house this is a major issue unless they do house calls or you are willing to trailer the car to them.

To be fair this same problem would affect Peugeot who would either need to have the car trailered to them or be willing to make a house call with their diagnostic equipment - which they may not be willing or able to do as their Lexia unit may be trolly mounted and in high demand in the workshop.

My 2nd hand experience through another car forum I'm a regular on where replacement key programming often comes up is that while some locksmiths can procure a blank key with a ready to program RFID chip in it, they can only cut the physical key based on a sample provided and don't have any means to program the RFID chip in the key to the car.

I'm not saying that you won't find someone who can do it, but it won't be your local corner key cutter... ;)
 

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Update: The key has been found!
So now we have the key in order to make a copy, the car is mobile so it can be taken in if need be.

Thanks. I will report back.
 

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Hello et0

Just wondered how you went on with a spare key ? We've a C Zero without a spare key , briefly looked into getting one done through Timpsons , looks like some braches ( Lincoln Asda closest for me ) can supply and programme a spare for around £60 compared to several hundred through main agent .

But thanks DBMandrake, you have saved me some trouble, as it looks as though if I went this way then it probably wouldn't work, as it sounds like it would still need the Citroen dealer diagnostic kit plugging in, to get the new spare key to be accepted by the car ?

Any updates much appreciated :)
 

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Timpsons' website will tell you which branches can physically cut the key and clone the transponder. You have already made a basic check, now go into the local and confirm (ignore previous statements about this being a dealer only activity)
 

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Many thanks freddym and DBMandrake re key advice will be calling at local Timpsons over next week or two.

And thanks to you both for all the very useful posts on this forum, we've had our 2013 C zero now for about 10 months , its been a fantastic car so far.
This forum is vital for me and other users maintaining these great little vehicles. My plan is to keep this C Zero for as many years as we can, 70 mile plus range is fine for our daily 40 miles roundtrip commute .
Next job is to rust proof properly before salt on roads, lack of present underbody protection bothers me with salty uk roads.
 

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Don't thank me, Simon (DBMandrake) is the triplet guru as far as I'm concerned.
Let us know how you get on.

You have a 2013 car so later battery type. Would be interesting to see what AH figure your car has.
 
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