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Hi we took delivery of our 4+ one month ago, we have a pod point at home from previous vehicle.
No matter whether charged via pod point of 3pin plug at 100% charge the range shown is between 257 and 262, it never reaches the advertised 282. There are no accessories on such as A/C, heater, heated seats etc - have any other 4+ owners experienced same?
 

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... range shown is between 257 and 262, it never reaches the advertised 282....
Probably the same situation as in this thread. See this post, & previous entries.
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When you bought a petrol car, and the mfr claimed 45 mpg, they never warned you that you'd only get 35 in winter, did they? Same thing happening really. Colder air is denser, so more drag. Damp roads increase tyre-adhesion to water molecules, so more drag. Wet ones even worse, lots of energy pumping water aside at high speed. Colder tyres are stiffer, so more energy lost forcing the sidewalls & tread to deflect as you drive. Colder batteries hold less charge so that's like you petrol tank shrinking in the cold! More use of heater/air con saps power from battery.
Otoh seems Kia & Hyundai do not bother warming the HV battery as you drive off in winter, while the ID.3 does (which saves you losing even more I expect!).
 

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Guys thanks for the replies but this issue is not about driving style!
At rest (before driving) at 100% charge (with the charger still attached) the max range displayed is 257 and not the advertised 282! Its 10degrees in my garage this AM so not a really a temp issue either! I know (as this is our third EV) that I will never achieve 282miles of real-world driving. BUT if we start out with nearly 10% less initial range does it mean we'll have 10% less real-world driving range?
 

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The range you'll get is the range you'll get. Doesn't matter what the trip computer guesses the range might be.

If you want it to show 282, drive like a nun in warm temperatures for a few hundred miles with no accessories on, and it'll assume you're going to continue in that style. But it doesn't change how far you'll actually get.

Which EV did you have before? Maybe its trip computer is more reliable, or more suited to your driving style, or was better at predicting temperature.
 

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So if I read right, you've had the car a month, and therefore done 100, 500, 1000 miles ?
Per mad_rich the Guess o Meter will take a while to adjust, especially if the car was driven motorway hard in the Oct/Nov colder spell before you came to have it -- which you won't know about !

I think more interesting will be to see what consumption you're getting from the vehicle now you've had it a bit.
eg the mile/kWh debates about 3.5 up to 5.
As it's your third EV what did you get out of those previous, compared to this car ?

Also if you drive 25miles does the range drop by 25 or drops a lot more ?
If it says 257 miles range and after 25 miles it says 240 left then you know you're doing well and over time that 257 should grow (I think if you've done 1000 miles since getting then yes you know your roads, your style )

I am also smelling a concern that the battery in your car is not taking on the 64kW you're expecting when at 100%, and therefore can't go as far as you were reasonably expecting it to.
Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy way for the average user to check how much charge it's holding when it finishes drinking --- unlike the 12bars(?) thing on a Leaf for example, or getting some bluetooth-dongle app.
 

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My Kona is now showing a theory 100% range of 270 vs best 318 I had in early September --- same person driving same roads same style.
But the GOM does seem to drop still within a mile or so of the distances I am covering.
ie drive 40miles it drops 41-42.

Frustrating for you I am sure ---- there is not a way for the driver to tell the computer to fully re-zero, so that so you can re teach it immediately
 

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The GOM is a bit of a random number generator.

My Zoe (238 WLTP) was showing 120 miles off 50% yesterday, after a week of motorway driving at 3 degrees with the heating cranked up to Tropical! No chance!
 

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It's all about how you drive, how fast you drive and the conditions. For each journey you can see what the Mi/kWh was. There's an average that's built up over time. This longer term average is what the GOM uses. I would note the Niro Guess-O-Meter is really very good, and doesn't seem to have the random nature other EV drivers complain of.

If you're managing 4mi/kWh at this time of year, that's pretty good and means you have a range of about 256 miles based on taking the 64kWh battery to reported empty. So that fits perfectly with what your car is showing.

When the temperature is low I believe there's some battery heating going on. Certainly the first few miles I'm lucky to get 3mi/kWh. So if you've been doing lots of short journeys this time of year that will bring your average right down.

To get 280 odd miles range you need to achieve 4.4mi/kWh or better... which you can do, even at this time of year. On a recent journey driving in the wet at night, ambient temp of 5 degrees, with heating, cruise set at 70 (average of 60mph over 127 miles) I got 4mi/kWh, which is really excellent given I was making none of my usual concessions to economy. If I'd dropped my speed down to 55 or thereabouts, gone steady, I reckon I could manage 4.5mi/kWh in those conditions.

The same journey in October when it was dry and a bit warmer, cruise set to 55 I got 5.2mi/kWh - which would be a range of 332 miles. Favourable conditions with a tail wind and you could do even better if you needed to.
 

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Hi we took delivery of our 4+ one month ago, we have a pod point at home from previous vehicle.
No matter whether charged via pod point of 3pin plug at 100% charge the range shown is between 257 and 262, it never reaches the advertised 282. There are no accessories on such as A/C, heater, heated seats etc - have any other 4+ owners experienced same?
My Kia Niro Ev 2022 got 277 miles when we bought it a little over a month ago. The temperature has been 50°F while charging and now at all full charge(100%) I only get 221 miles, instead of the advertised 239. I am super pussed and will be finding out what is really going on. For this being my 1st EV it's been a nightmare so far. Any ideas or suggestions?
 

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View attachment 156260 if you look in the screenshot you'll see just how much the mileage has gone down. What can I do???????
As i responded to you before inanother post: start driving, check your consumption and see how it averages out over the full 64 kWh of the battery. There's a 99,999999% chance nothing is wrong with you car and you're just seeing a temporary dip.

If you did a couiple of hundred miles at 75 mph on the motorway, expected range will go down. If you potter around city streets at 30 mph, expected range will go up. if you use a lot of heating on short trips, expected range will go down. So again, stop worrying, drive the car, check consumption and come back with more data.
 

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I haven't been taking long trips. I know all about the energy consumption. Why would I be having a temporary dip when the weather doesn't even get cold enough here. I always drive in eco mode, and in eco mode I get 222 miles vs 277 miles like I used to. I am not driving up hills, I am not using heated seats, I'm driving during the day so I'm not using headlights, I keep the heat and air off so I can get the most mileage possible. I know people who have older Kia Niro Ev's(2019 and 2021 models to be exact) with way more range than I do. We live in the same area. There is no reason my car with 3k miles on it, also being a 2022 should drop 55 miles in range in a matter of 34 days. I'm sure most Kia Niro Ev owners get more than 222 miles of range in eco and eco+ mode. In normal mode it's only 212 miles. It is not my driving habits, I accelerate slowly and always use regenerative braking to slow down. I've read a million articles about how to get the most miles out of my electric vehicle.
 

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What's the efficiency showing? It's simple maths, if you have 64kWh of battery available and the car reports a range of 222 miles that's based on 3.4 miles/kWh.

Does that match up with the averaged efficiency display? If so, there you are.... you need to use less electricity if you want to go further.

If it doesn't match up, then... you might want to have a conversation with the dealer about the whether there's an issue with the battery state of health. I haven't heard of any issues with the e-Niro like this, but i'm sure it could happen.

Most importantly you say you haven't been taking long trips. The car's efficiency is worst for short journeys, especially in cooler weather. If you're doing lots of short journeys, then 3.4 miles/kWh is totally believable and doesn't indicate there's a problem.

To get the rated 280 miles from an e-Niro you need to achieve an average of 4.4-ish miles/kWh.
 

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Drive it normally and check your consumption. If your consumption is 4 mi / kWh you should find that from 100% to 50% you'll have done 130 miles, probably a bit more since the top half of the battery has higher voltage and therefore more kWh. If you do 4 mi / kWh on average and only do 110 miles with 50% of the battery, then there might be an issue.
 

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Range to this extent is supposed to only suffer in cold weather when it is 20°F or lower from what I've been reading. Now at 50% charge it shows I have 104 miles in eco mode. If that is not major range reduction then idk what is. It's currently 50°F here. 50° shouldn't affect the range that badly.... I'm taking it to a Kia dealership tomorrow to see what's going on.
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You can also get apps that will read data from the cars obd port and provide insight into cell health etc. One cause of range reduction can be a pack that is out of balance. The bms should balance the pack when ac charging but worth checking especially if the car has a lot of dc rapid charging. . Also sometimes zeroing all trips can reset the predictive range although as others have said what you actually get is based on your actual mpk.
 
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