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According to the image at the bottom of the Kia press release, the two-tone seats will be on the GT-Line and the GT-Line S
Mmmm...it states that the seats in the S are suade and vegan leather (aka PVC). I assume the latter is the bolsters, the suede being the squab and backrest which I don't consider a good material choice for ventilated seats. 🤔

Isn't the purpose of ventilated seats to cool the hot leather (pvc) in summer to prevent rump roasting?
 

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Have been to my Kia dealer Snows of Giuldford they have taken a £1000 deposit just have to wait till next month when they hope to have a road show and offer road tests on all three models.
Delivery September
 

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Have been to my Kia dealer Snows of Giuldford they have taken a £1000 deposit just have to wait till next month when they hope to have a road show and offer road tests on all three models.
Delivery September
Interesting to know of imminent test drives.

Is the deposit refundable?
 

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Yes, I am familiar with the operation of heat pumps I have them in a property in spain.

My understanding in relation to EV's is that the heat pumps are not air source but absorb heat from the coolant that is used for the motors and batteries then utilising this residual heat to heat-up the cabin.

This was my previous query, I am not aware of any other tangible benefit that justifies the additional cost (in this case £900).

My heat pump, according to wltp figures, offers no benefit in terms of additional range afaik.

Imo, if having the cabin heated a couple of minutes sooner in winter is the only benefit, then I don't consider a £900 premium to be financially justifiable.

I would be interested to learn from anyone of any other documented tangible benefits that a heat pump provides.
Hi seems your right the heat pump can only take heat from the battery and put it in the cabin so starting out on a cold morning the heat pump will have nothing to offer the only time it can work is after farst charging Think Kia got this one badly wrong should have been a able to take heat from the air like Tesla
 

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Interesting to know of imminent test drives.

Is the deposit refundable?
Yes in full up to the point you place a ferm order by that time you should have had a test drive,
I am going for the GT Line S all weel drive, there is an option for the heat pump but that looks like a waist of £900 as it can only be of benifit after fast charging so no use on a cold morning start
 

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Hi seems your right the heat pump can only take heat from the battery and put it in the cabin so starting out on a cold morning the heat pump will have nothing to offer the only time it can work is after farst charging Think Kia got this one badly wrong should have been a able to take heat from the air like Tesla
Suggest you read the linked article. It is an interview / advertorial with Hyundai engineers involved with their heat pump development, naturally they claim their system to be the best, who knows, but it is very clear that it is doing a lot more than just heat scavenging from the battery.
I still doubt it makes financial sense in terms of cost of saved electricity, unless you need the range in which case tick the box:p
 

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Suggest you read the linked article. It is an interview / advertorial with Hyundai engineers involved with their heat pump development, naturally they claim their system to be the best, who knows, but it is very clear that it is doing a lot more than just heat scavenging from the battery.
I still doubt it makes financial sense in terms of cost of saved electricity, unless you need the range in which case tick the box:p
Hi thanks for the link made interesting reading the articular talks of taking heat from the outside air but does not make it clear how its achieving this unless they use the the returning cooling flow from the cars cooling radiator, it also makes reference to Tesla model Y and that Kia system is better,
I suppose you have to think that what they are saying is correct and that the £900 will in some way be worth it. One would hope they have not fitted it just to look like they are keeping up with Tesla
I have to let the dealer know tomorrow if I want a heat pump so that he can proceed with the order which I am 50 50 on will sleep on it
 

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Hi thanks for the link made interesting reading the articular talks of taking heat from the outside air but does not make it clear how its achieving this unless they use the the returning cooling flow from the cars cooling radiator, it also makes reference to Tesla model Y and that Kia system is better,
I suppose you have to think that what they are saying is correct and that the £900 will in some way be worth it. One would hope they have not fitted it just to look like they are keeping up with Tesla
In fact Telsa are keeping up with Hyundai / Kia (and other EV manufacturers such as Nissan) and are somewhat late to the heat pump party. Kia have had head pumps on all their EVs and so have Hyundai. It seems now they are moving to the German model of making them optional where they used to be standard
 

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Warning - huge generalisations to follow YMMV;

There is a big difference between heating the cabin once then maintaining the temperature for a long drive versus lots of stop start driving where the cabin is allowed to cool and has to be reheated, however it would not be unreasonable to anticipate 3-4 kWh energy or 12-18 miles range loss in a typical day for a car that uses resistive heating only as opposed to a combination of resistive heating and heat pump.

For a short range EV this can make all the difference between needing to charge to complete a journey or not. For longer range EVs I might content that absence of a heat pump might mean using a bit more energy, and therefore cost a few pennies extra (home charge rates - I'd guestimate less than £100 per year for my driving profile) but would rarely inconvenience a driver so much that they would need to make additional charge stops. For me therefore I'm reckoning on running the car for about 10 years before the heat pump would pay for itself. Of course it may be that cars with this option attracted slightly higher resale values and other people doing higher mileages in more extreme weather conditions might find their balance point comes much sooner.

Personally I'd have liked to have seen heat pump as part of standard spec and all cars costing £500 more than it being an option, with related ordering and production line complexities meaning it costs around £900 extra for those that specify.
 

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I spoke with my dealer SG Petch, Sunderland, on Monday. I was advised they are to have a car for inspection in August, but it will not be available for test drives. I was also told if I order before 17 May, I should get the car in October. I asked when they were likely to get a demonstrator, around Christmas was the answer.
It seems dealers have different dates on when they will get their hands on a car in their showroom
So it is unlikely I will get a drive in an EV6 before I take delivery of mine!
 

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Hi thanks for the link made interesting reading the articular talks of taking heat from the outside air but does not make it clear how its achieving this unless they use the the returning cooling flow from the cars cooling radiator, it also makes reference to Tesla model Y and that Kia system is better,
I suppose you have to think that what they are saying is correct and that the £900 will in some way be worth it. One would hope they have not fitted it just to look like they are keeping up with Tesla
I have to let the dealer know tomorrow if I want a heat pump so that he can proceed with the order which I am 50 50 on will sleep on it
Hi i have gone with the heat pump this morning the guy thats dealing with my sale has asked their technician on the function of the heat pump and it is able to take heat from outside the car as well as the heat in the motor and battery.
If you look at the GT model the heat pump is standard but they call it a battery heat pump my guy explains this that the GT will need greater cooling because the performance is higher ?
 

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Interesting to know of imminent test drives.

Is the deposit refundable?
Interesting.
I had another call from my local dealer and he said they wouldn't have any stock - not even for a roadshow - until at least August and maybe even September. That said, if I want any hope of getting a car in October then I need to place an order today.

I'm probably going to buy something else as I want a GT and they're definitely not available till Oct 2022
 

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** update email from my dealer ** received 15 mins ago...


"Thank you for pre-reserving the new Kia EV6.

This email is to confirm that we have received your pre-reservation, and will be in contact again from Monday 17th May to go through your order in more detail and to give you estimated finance figures.

We're looking forward to meeting the new Kia EV6, in person, and we're sure you are too!

But please bear with us, as we won't be able to provide any more information with regards to your order until Monday 17th May, as our system doesn't go live until then.

We thank you for your patience, in the meantime, and look forward to speaking with you soon. "
 

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Well I have ordered mine today. Gt-Line S with Heat pump. Did have to pay £1000 deposit.
Dealer said they may have demo car(s) in June/July, but wasn't which ones.
Delivery is Sept/Oct or WIR!
I was the first to order from them, but they had another 8 people lined up today. Not a bad days work of around £500,00.00 in sales 😯

Does anyone have any opinions on KiaCharge. Trying to see the real benefit of it, seeing as the BP prices seem standard and there are no Ionity chargers within 50 miles of me. I am lucky that the Gridserve site is not to far away though 😀

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Spoke with dealer today as have others.
Common theme emerging of dealers not having much more information than us. So no dealer accessory list yet, no definite service schedule or cost, no real details about the inside of the car other than look at existing Kias for things like sunroofs.
The Kia Connect is an app that will allow charging set ups at home, pre--conditioning etc, free route planner. Its free.
KiaCharge is as others have said - what is the advantage over a credit card for most new chargers?
Sat Nav will do chargers on route but not availability - use Zap-Map was the suggestion.
No finance illustrations yet as waiting for CAP Valuations - probably June.
RAC membership included.
Yes you can assume highest NCAP rating due to the fancy electronics and driving aids.
Open Day in June/July unlikely to have drivable cars. Those will be here September/October and until you have driven a test car you can cancel and get your deposit back.
I've paid a £500 deposit to the dealer and I gather Kia will refund my £100 reservation fee by end of June at the latest as its now a dealer/customer relationship. So its a AWD red GT-Line S but no heat pump. My driving is likely to be mainly from home so can pre-condition and being on south coast unlikely to be that cold for long.
 

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I have also placed an order this morning with my dealer for a GT Line-S with no heat pump. The information provided in largely in line with other people ordering here
  • A £1000 non-refundable deposit was required.
  • Tow bar will be able to be sorted out as an accessory - no an option on ordering.
  • Dealer will have 2 cars in August that will initially be available at an 'exclusive event' for looking at and driving for those who have ordered from this dealer in this first window.
  • They stated that delivery would likely be September or October, and that anyone not ordering in this first window would likely be waiting for a 2022 delivery.
  • No details on finance APRs, whether there will be a dealer contribution, or service packages at this time.
 

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So how has everyone identified their preferred dealer? I've not been very impressed with my local one. In 'normal times' I'd maybe use CarWow, or ring around a few. Some might offer incentives such as a discount, free mats or accessories or reduced servicing, they might provide a more generous part ex valuation, or might convince me that they were more knowledgeable or offered better customer service than the norm.

With an 'in demand' car is there anything a dealer can do to 'stand out' or a prospective buyer do to make their dealer earn their money?
 

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I'm just using the one nearest my office. They've taken care of my company car Optima, my wifes Soul EV and 2 previous Ceed's without any issue and always seem friendly and professional. We have an E-Niro on the company fleet from them too. As well as my own GT-Line S I am ordering 2 'standard' spec EV6 for other employees so I would hope they take a bit extra care of us. Don't expect any discounts though as they'll sell them to someone else if I walk away.
 

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A £1000 non-refundable deposit was required.
NON-REFUNDABLE deposit is a condition of ordering a car that I cannot test drive, or at least see and touch then it will be the deal breaker for me

Is this condition dealer specific? As others who have ordered have stated that their deposit IS refundable until the car is test driven.

Some might offer incentives such as a discount, free mats or accessories or reduced servicing, they might provide a more generous part ex valuation
Highly unlikely there will be any incentives offered on vehicles that customers have and will order without any.

With an 'in demand' car is there anything a dealer can do to 'stand out' or a prospective buyer do to make their dealer earn their money
The key word is "in demand" ...dealers don't need to "earn their money" as sales are given to them on a plate, so they can just sit back and grin whilst watching the orders roll-in. 🥴
 
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