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I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me, none of the cars that were manufactured first (1st edition, then Life, Business and Family) have the rear speakers. So maybe rather than being a cost saving thing, it was actually another one of those things that just wasn't ready for launch. If so, I wonder whether future versions of those trims (or at least Business and Family) will get rear speakers at some point. If so, you would imagine at that point VW might start selling those kits as aftermarket upgrades for the early adopters too.
 

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I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me, none of the cars that were manufactured first (1st edition, then Life, Business and Family) have the rear speakers. So maybe rather than being a cost saving thing, it was actually another one of those things that just wasn't ready for launch. If so, I wonder whether future versions of those trims (or at least Business and Family) will get rear speakers at some point. If so, you would imagine at that point VW might start selling those kits as aftermarket upgrades for the early adopters too.
Nah, cost saving. Like the materials choice.
 

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Nah, cost saving. Like the materials choice.
Just seems like such a weird place to save a little money. Are there any other cars in the world in the small family car class that don't have rear speakers? Maybe a Dacia or something like that...

edit Nope. Looks like above the base trim, even the Dacia Sandero has rear speakers :ROFLMAO:
 

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My 60Ah i3 didn’t have rear speakers either.

Just seems to be one of those things that sometimes happens with car specs, but as I’ve said, I listen mainly to spoken word radio or podcasts, or shock horror have the radio off, so for me it’s fine.
 

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Might get them fitted as an upgrade if ever available but must say as yet not missing them. That said usually just me in car and have found my natural volume is a lot lower than last car.
Lower volume from not needing to turn up so voice/vocal clear above engine noise.
 

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My 60Ah i3 didn’t have rear speakers either.

Just seems to be one of those things that sometimes happens with car specs, but as I’ve said, I listen mainly to spoken word radio or podcasts, or shock horror have the radio off, so for me it’s fine.
Ah, so the drive selector isn’t the only thing VW nicked from BMW then! ;)
 

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Ah, so the drive selector isn’t the only thing VW nicked from BMW then! ;)
True!

It occurred to me the other day as I threaded my arm through the gap between the wheel and the centre screen to put the screen de-mister on max, that the reason the light panel is there is because the drive selector blocks the view to where it should be on a right hand drive vehicle.

I guess they decided it was cheaper to mould the dash top to take the light panel rather than re-engineer the drive selector to be on the left of the wheel so that it mirrors the LHD setup. It would mean selecting drive with your left hand, but I’m sure we could have managed!
 

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True!

It occurred to me the other day as I threaded my arm through the gap between the wheel and the centre screen to put the screen de-mister on max, that the reason the light panel is there is because the drive selector blocks the view to where it should be on a right hand drive vehicle.

I guess they decided it was cheaper to mould the dash top to take the light panel rather than re-engineer the drive selector to be on the left of the wheel so that it mirrors the LHD setup. It would mean selecting drive with your left hand, but I’m sure we could have managed!
I think that the design was deliberate so that you use the gear selector with your right hand and the light panel with your left in both LHD and RHD.
 

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I think that the design was deliberate so that you use the gear selector with your right hand and the light panel with your left in both LHD and RHD.
Yes, probably, but it would have looked and worked better the other way around for me, and I’m not left handed either.

I do find the light panel fiddly to get to, fortunately I don’t need to use it much, but the rear de-mister gets a fair bit of use.
 

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Yes, probably, but it would have looked and worked better the other way around for me, and I’m not left handed either.

I do find the light panel fiddly to get to, fortunately I don’t need to use it much, but the rear de-mister gets a fair bit of use.
And, of course, all gear levers were traditionally in the middle and you used your left hand in a RHD car without any problem.

I'm just very pleased to have the functions on that little light panel directly available. They're exactly the ones that you need in a hurry. Someone has thought about this stuff, thank goodness.
 

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@Tooks latest mocking of my rear speaker obsession prompted me to do a little googling today, and spotted this page.

Looks like only €599 for rear speakers and upgraded front speakers, fully installed! Too good to be true? Maybe UK car audio specialists will offer similar packages at some point, but if they haven't by the time travel into Europe is possible again I would so drive to Holland for that! I'd make a little holiday out of it on the way.

Though, as it doesn't mention the centre speaker, I'm suspicious that this isn't actually a package they've developed for the ID.3 and they just have a generic speaker upgrade kit that they just copy/paste onto all the car-specific pages. If so, probably doubtful they've actually figured out how to do the programming of the ID.3 infotainment system to accept the new speakers, right?
 

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@Tooks latest mocking of my rear speaker obsession prompted me to do a little googling today, and spotted this page.

Looks like only €599 for rear speakers and upgraded front speakers, fully installed! Too good to be true? Maybe UK car audio specialists will offer similar packages at some point, but if they haven't by the time travel into Europe is possible again I would so drive to Holland for that! I'd make a little holiday out of it on the way.

Though, as it doesn't mention the centre speaker, I'm suspicious that this isn't actually a package they've developed for the ID.3 and they just have a generic speaker upgrade kit that they just copy/paste onto all the car-specific pages. If so, probably doubtful they've actually figured out how to do the programming of the ID.3 infotainment system to accept the new speakers, right?
I’m still investigating which modules are protected on the ID.3 and which ones will allow adaptation with the existing tools available.

I’d hope that the one where you let the system know there are rear speakers connected so that the fader works should be fairly ‘open’, but it depends how it’s implemented I suppose.

Kufatec list the OEM part numbers for retrofit, they exist in other ID.3s so it should be possible and I’m sure the Dutch company you’ve linked to have worked it out.

The biggest pain for the rear speaker retrofit will be running the wiring, I keep meaning to have a look at what’s already in the rear doors so I could work out speaker size etc, but don’t want to introduce any rattles.

Realistically, I’m already 3 months into an ownership period that will likely be only 2 or 3 years max, so that and the fact I’m mostly a spoken word radio guy (except when the news is just Covid/Covid/Covid!) means I’ll probably just leave it and spec it on the next car. I really want an AWD ID.3, so if they bring one of those out I’ll be too tempted, even if for some reason it still only has the 5 speaker front biased system!
 

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I’m still investigating which modules are protected on the ID.3 and which ones will allow adaptation with the existing tools available.

I’d hope that the one where you let the system know there are rear speakers connected so that the fader works should be fairly ‘open’, but it depends how it’s implemented I suppose.

Kufatec list the OEM part numbers for retrofit, they exist in other ID.3s so it should be possible and I’m sure the Dutch company you’ve linked to have worked it out.

The biggest pain for the rear speaker retrofit will be running the wiring, I keep meaning to have a look at what’s already in the rear doors so I could work out speaker size etc, but don’t want to introduce any rattles.

Realistically, I’m already 3 months into an ownership period that will likely be only 2 or 3 years max, so that and the fact I’m mostly a spoken word radio guy (except when the news is just Covid/Covid/Covid!) means I’ll probably just leave it and spec it on the next car. I really want an AWD ID.3, so if they bring one of those out I’ll be too tempted, even if for some reason it still only has the 5 speaker front biased system!
That all makes sense, and sounds potentially hopeful then.

My business case is a bit different in that I'm a music lover, so I knew going into buying my ID.3 that this would probably be my biggest disappointment with the car. I mean, I love everything else about the car so I'll still be happy with my purchase decision even if I don't improve the audio, but it's the one thing I'm motivated enough to sink a little money into improving. Also, my current intent is to keep the car long-term. I bought it with cash and a 2.8% APR loan that I'm repaying over 5 years (that I used to instantly pay off the PCP). So the plan is to either trade the ID.3 once the loan is fully repaid or keep it even longer if I'm still happy with it seeing as the depreciation curve will have flattened off significantly by that point anyway.

I probably won't waste the Dutch company's time now, but when travel opens up again (and assuming I haven't found a UK alternative in the meantime), I'll get in touch with them and find out what the score is. I may even be tempted to stump up for the big boy €1849 package with the amp and subwoofer :devilish: Depending on how well the sub is integrated and whether it's compatible with the false boot floor I have in my Family trim ID.3.
 

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I may even be tempted to stump up for the big boy €1849 package with the amp and subwoofer :devilish: Depending on how well the sub is integrated and whether it's compatible with the false boot floor I have in my Family trim ID.3
In that case, I’d also consider slamming it on air suspension and getting some neon under sill lighting, and maybe some strobes?! 😂

IIRC from your old avatar, you’re more Norm Abram than Norman Cook though, so maybe not! 😁😉
 

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In that case, I’d also consider slamming it on air suspension and getting some neon under sill lighting, and maybe some strobes?! 😂

IIRC from your old avatar, you’re more Norm Abram than Norman Cook though, so maybe not! 😁😉
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Yeah, kids these days, driving around blasting out their middle of the road alt-country music.... :D
 

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Whilst I was luxuriating in the glow from my rear speakers (had I mentioned them ?) - I started thinking (always a bad idea): at the time of purchasing my Tech in October the ‘Pricing + Specification’ doc, under ‘Infotainment pack plus’, it described the audio system as: “Sound pack: 7 speakers and subwoofer”. Now, I can't find anything remotely like a subwoofer in the car, and checking the current spec doc, it now states “Sound pack: 6+1 speakers”.

Now, I'm not expecting a lot of sympathy on this thread 😂, but I suspect my subwoofer has gone the same way as my aircon voice control! 🙁 I'm starting to feel a little short changed!! (another email to dealer....)
 

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Now, I can't find anything remotely like a subwoofer in the car, and checking the current spec doc, it now states “Sound pack: 6+1 speakers”.
There was a picture floating around of a subwoofer being in the small hole under the boot floor, where the accessories usually get stowed. If it's not in there, I guess they changed the spec & decided not to include it after all (unless it's only in the EU models, I guess).
 

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Whilst I was luxuriating in the glow from my rear speakers (had I mentioned them ?) - I started thinking (always a bad idea): at the time of purchasing my Tech in October the ‘Pricing + Specification’ doc, under ‘Infotainment pack plus’, it described the audio system as: “Sound pack: 7 speakers and subwoofer”. Now, I can't find anything remotely like a subwoofer in the car, and checking the current spec doc, it now states “Sound pack: 6+1 speakers”.

Now, I'm not expecting a lot of sympathy on this thread 😂, but I suspect my subwoofer has gone the same way as my aircon voice control! 🙁 I'm starting to feel a little short changed!! (another email to dealer....)
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Or is it a normal sized violin but I can't hear it properly because I don't have rear speakers?? :unsure:

To be honest, I've never had a subwoofer in a car before anyway! As Tooks correctly deduced, I'm not really a bass-heavy music kinda guy. And actually, the bass is something I don't have a problem with even with the 4+1 speaker system that my model has. I think the centre speaker probably helps with that.

Only reason I'd get a subwoofer put in is because part of me feels like if I'm doing a crazy journey over to Holland someday just for speakers, I may as well go all in on it!
 
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