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Hey all,

I'm going to look at a used leaf tomorrow, 18-24 months old, probably a 24kW Acenta.

I haven't really seen a buyers guide so far on here, so sorry in advance if its a well trodden path, but what should I look out for on a 14/64 plate leaf?

It will be at a Nissan main dealer and under the nissan cared4 scheme, so I'm assuming it'll be in decent nick.

What should I look for?
What should I be asking?
What would be a target price?
Any other advice?

Would a tekna be worth the extra, or would a visia+ be a worthwhile look of its cheaper.

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Hello Blackeunos

Take a look at this introductory guide by Colin, this is a good place to start and very informative!

To start with on a used Nissan Leaf one of the biggest things to look out for is the state of health of the battery, with the car if it's been in for a service there should be a state of health report which will show the percentage it's at. Also a basic visual check is too see if any bars have been lost when at 100%. So a full set of 12 bars should be illuminated on the right hand side of the digital display in front of the steering wheel. Some car when fully charged might only have 9/10/11 bars and is worth checking as this means you won't be getting the full range you would normally get.

Other things to ask/check for is whether the car is battery owned or on a flex agreement as this can affect the cars value. If it's on flex then you will be paying a monthly price agreement to rent the battery where if it's battery owned you own the car and the batteries outright.

Will be worth asking whether the car has a 3.3kw charger or a 6.6kw. Again this can affect how much you should pay for the car. But mainly a 6.6kw leaf will be able to charge at the faster rates. So at 7.2kw/32amp point your looking at 4-5 hours to get to fully charged compared at a 3.6kw/16amp 7-8 hours, so it just depends on how many miles you will be doing in the car daily and to your charging needs and the infrastructure around you. A check you can do is if the car is plugged in there should be 2 different charging times display on the digital display then that will prove it is a 6.6kw but if one charging time just shows it is a 3.3kw Leaf.

Other bog standard things to check are the Leaf Handbook present, service history, navigation working, warranty paperwork, full mats for the car, CHARGING CABLES!!!

As mentioned if the car is a 6.6kw then it should come with a granny cable (3 pin plug) and a type 1 to type 2 cable enabling you to charge at the faster rates. Regardless the car should come with a granny cable standard.

Lastly to check is the spec, is it a visia, Acenta or a Tekna spec. An Acenta will have the following 16" Alloys, Colour reversing camera, cruise control, B-mode, automatic headlights, cloth interior. Where A Tekna compared to an Acenta will have some of the items above an in addition leather seats instead, Bose surround sound system, heated front and rear seats, heated steering wheel, heated door mirrors, LED Headlights and bigger and different looking 17" alloys. So a lot higher spec and generally more luxurious and comfortable inside.

If you want a guide on price, I am just selling a 15 plate Nissan Leaf Acenta 6k Miles, 6.6kw charger in black for £10,995. This is advertised on the classified section of the forum. For a 64 plate your looking at around £9000 upwards but just depends on mileage.

If you need any advice or need any more questions answered then drop me a PM and I'm more than happy to help.

Cheers

Lewis
 

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As mentioned if the car is a 6.6kw then it should come with a granny cable (3 pin plug) and a type 1 to type 2 cable enabling you to charge at the faster rates
Is this correct? I am intending to purchase a used Leaf tomorrow but the seller has told me that Type 1 to Type 2 cables are not included in pre 2014/2015 Leafs - I.e. You had to purchase a cable separately on top of the 6.6kw charging capability optional extra.

Even though he advertised 6.6kw in the advert he is saying I will need to pay him additional money if I want the 6.6kw charging cable. Is this fair?
 

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Is this correct? I am intending to purchase a used Leaf tomorrow but the seller has told me that Type 1 to Type 2 cables are not included in pre 2014/2015 Leafs - I.e. You had to purchase a cable separately on top of the 6.6kw charging capability optional extra.

Even though he advertised 6.6kw in the advert he is saying I will need to pay him additional money if I want the 6.6kw charging cable. Is this fair?
From my knowledge any of the Nissan leafs registered/purchased after the 1st October 2014 came with both the granny cable and the type 1 to type 2 cable aswell. So in essence from the 64 plate Leafs onwards. When buying used leafs sometimes cables can get lost or previous owners have kept cables etc. Sometimes you might be able to use this as a bargaining chip in your negotiations.

Generally when I sell a vehichle I try and make sure all necessary cables are present as if I was a buyer myself I would be a miffed about cables not being there etc. If the Leaf doesn't come with the type 1 to type 2, keep an eye on the forum as good condition second hand ones come up on here frequently, you could buy online for example on www.evconnectors.com or lastly as mentioned above be tough in negotiations!
 

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Is this correct? I am intending to purchase a used Leaf tomorrow but the seller has told me that Type 1 to Type 2 cables are not included in pre 2014/2015 Leafs - I.e. You had to purchase a cable separately on top of the 6.6kw charging capability optional extra.

Even though he advertised 6.6kw in the advert he is saying I will need to pay him additional money if I want the 6.6kw charging cable. Is this fair?
My 63 plate 6.6 Acenta was only supplied with the 6.6kwh type 1 to type 2 cable. They did not supply the granny cable for charging on a 3pin socket. I had to buy that separately.
 
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Hi, as the car is 18-24 mths old, knowing what Nissan or the original supplying dealer gave with the purchase is of little use, you are buying a used car so get the deal you want. A seller can charge extra for wheels if they want if the original advert said no wheels included :=) for checking the car have a good look at tyre wear, especially the back, people report wild differences but around 25-30k should be achievable on the original tyres if it's a low milage car with a odd set of tyres ask why?
 

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Thanks, forgot about the tyre wear issue some have had, was it just the back tyres that were affected?

So, main things...
- battery SOH;
- Cables;
- Flex/non-electric;
- Tyre wear.
 

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As mentioned if the car is a 6.6kw then it should come with a granny cable (3 pin plug) and a type 1 to type 2 cable enabling you to charge at the faster rates. Regardless the car should come with a granny cable standard.
The 2013 Gen 2 LEAF with 3.3kW initially came with the 3 pin EVSE and bag as standard. Where the Type 2 to Type 1 cable had to be purchased separately by the owner. When I sold my 2013 Gen 2 LEAF I included my own T2-T1 cable as part of the package deal.
When they introduced the 6.6kW charger option at £850, Nissan in their wisdom thought that if you wanted a faster on-board charger then we'll remove the slow 3 pin EVSE and only supply the car with a Type 2 (post) to Type 1 (Car) cable and bag. So there are cars with only this 1 cable and no 3 pin EVSE as standard. Many like @MikeProcter bought their expensive (£500) 3 pin EVSE.
By the third quarter of 2014 Nissan were receiving many complaints about this and in the 4th quarter of 2014 they introduced another option. To upgrade to the 6.6kW on-board charger it was now £1150, a £300 increase and both Nissan cables were included and both with bags. This extra £300 was to represent the trade cost of the 3 pin EVSE. Sometime in 2015 they then started to supply the T2-T1 cable without a bag and came in a standard cardboard box.
The 2016 models regardless of on-board charger are now supplied with both cables as standard, however the 6.6kW option is still £1150 even though both cables are now standard?
 
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Will be worth asking whether the car has a 3.3kw charger or a 6.6kw....

As mentioned if the car is a 6.6kw then it should come with a granny cable (3 pin plug) and a type 1 to type 2 cable enabling you to charge at the faster rates. Regardless the car should come with a granny cable standard.
When I bought my first Leaf in 2014, the 3.3 came with only the granny cable and the 6.6 came only with type 1 to 2 cable.
 

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Thanks, forgot about the tyre wear issue some have had, was it just the back tyres that were affected?

So, main things...
- battery SOH;
- Cables;
- Flex/non-electric;
- Tyre wear.
Just to add to the list is 3.3kw or 6.6kw chargers, as by reading some other threads. Some dealers don't have the greatest specialist knowledge so there is a visual check by checking a sticker on the driver’s side of the motor unit under the bonnet, you will need to be looking from the left hand side of the car through a gap. If you have a look at previous forum posts or type in on google their are picture guides to help you find this, I have also attached a photo as well.

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The 2013 Gen 2 LEAF with 3.3kW initially came with the 3 pin EVSE and bag as standard. Where the Type 2 to Type 1 cable had to be purchased separately by the owner. When I sold my 2013 Gen 2 LEAF I included the that T2-T1 cable as part of the package deal.
When they introduced the 6.6kW charger option at £850, Nissan in their wisdom thought that if you wanted a faster on-board charger then we'll remove the slow 3 pin EVSE and only supply the car with a Type 2 (post) to Type 1 (Car) cable and bag. So there are cars with only this 1 cable and no 3 pin EVSE as standard. Many like @MikeProcter bought their expensive (£500) 3 pin EVSE.
By the third quarter of 2014 Nissan were receiving many complaints about this and in the 4th quarter of 2014 they introduced another option. To upgrade to the 6.6kW on-board charger it was now £1150, a £300 increase and both Nissan cables were included and both with bags. This extra £300 was to represent the trade cost of the 3 pin EVSE. Sometime in 2015 they then started to supply the T2-T1 cable without a bag and came in a standard cardboard box.
The 2016 models regardless of on-board charger are now supplied with both cables as standard, however the 6.6kW option is still £1150 even though both cables are now standard?
This is very interesting thanks for sharing, how long do you reckon before they just fit 6.6kw chargers as standard? This would save a bit of hassle and complexity especially among new Nissan Leaf owners.
 

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This is very interesting thanks for sharing, how long do you reckon before they just fit 6.6kw chargers as standard? This would save a bit of hassle and complexity especially among new Nissan Leaf owners.
I believe they have just done this in the US as part of discontinuing the 24 kWh version (deleted the 3.3Kw charger option)
 

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My advice would be to haggle hard, it's a buyer's market for used Leaves! I got the distinct impression that Nissan dealers are more interested in selling insurance for just about everything under the sun, rather than selling a car for cash. I liked the look of the Tekna wheels, but the price of 17" tyres put me off. Tyres are a major part of the Leaf owner's running costs!
 

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Just to add to the list is 3.3kw or 6.6kw chargers, as by reading some other threads. Some dealers don't have the greatest specialist knowledge so there is a visual check by checking a sticker on the driver’s side of the motor unit under the bonnet, you will need to be looking from the left hand side of the car through a gap. If you have a look at previous forum posts or type in on google their are picture guides to help you find this, I have also attached a photo as well.

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Image from my car showing the 6.6 label to help.
 

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This is very interesting thanks for sharing, how long do you reckon before they just fit 6.6kw chargers as standard? This would save a bit of hassle and complexity especially among new Nissan Leaf owners.
I believe they have just done this in the US as part of discontinuing the 24 kWh version (deleted the 3.3Kw charger option)
Agreed but when for the UK? The US also dropped the 80% Longlife mode on their 24kWh in 2015 but we did not. I think they act faster to the American consumer action groups, maybe?
 

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Thanks for all the info.

Okay, I've been, drove it, liked it, but was in a rush so got a few figures, but couldn't get to the nitty gritty of a deal.

They offered a 64 plate white Acenta, with 9k miles first, it is up at £10,200, which is more than I wanted really, came out at £154/month, based on 8k miles and £1200 for my px.

I got figures on another 64 plate car, which had been reduced for some reason, to £9,500, which also had 9k miles, but was in the one colour I don't really like, which was red. This one came out at £131/month on the same terms as above.

My question for the nissan dealers amongst you, are these cars from nissan all likely to have the same cost, but the dealer is using the mileage as a sell up? (I used to work in the trade, at a Nissan franchise funnily enough, and that's how these batches used to be done)

Opinions on the deals so far?

I'd be pushing my to make sure it came with both cables, as well as mats, possibly a full tank as well....
 

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@Blackeunos A lot of the difference may be the colour cost? Was the red the base colour (free) or the metallic red (£550)? The flat white may have been +£250 and if the pearl white +£700? Like everything in the trade it's the SIV (Stand in Value), cost price with everything taken into account, they may have done a good px deal on one to their favour.
 

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Nissan have been getting people out of the PCP deals early as they know they set the GFV's way too high and they're trying to cut their losses asap.

The red was the metallic one and the white was the flat white. They haven't based the prices on colour, just the miles. I just thought they could be all stood at the same price but they're using the miles as a sell-up, which is what we used to do when I worked in a dealership.

The px was the same for both, just based on cap value.

I'd prefer the flat white of I'm honest with you, but they're the priciest on the forecourt.

Just looking for some ammunition for when the details are ironed out on the deal.
 
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