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Hi All,
I have signed up with view to getting a better understanding of EV's and in particular at this time EV charging points.
I run a small B&B/ Holiday Let in West Gloucestershire and am looking to install an EV charge point that I can generate billing to recoup capital, electrical supply cost and maintenance. We have Economy 7 as the house is heated by a heat pump, so a system that supports time of day charging will be important.

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Wall Mounting

Can be app activated to enable commercial billing

Can be timer controlled to enable charging on E7 night tariff

Max 32A supply

Will support as many EV’s as possible.
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I have contacted a few suppliers found on the internet though there response has been very poor or in some instances non-extant!

Any help and suggestions will be greatly appreciated

BR

Graham
PS Apologies if have posted inappropriately or in the wrong section
 

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Have you tried PodPoint - I think they provide a full billing solution.

If you get a Type 2 untethered post that should support the most EVs today.

Alternatively just fit an electric meter that’s dedicated to the charge point and then you can work out usage manually. Maybe provide a basic allowance and charge if they exceed it?
 

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Can you explain your motivations a bit more ? Are you looking to enhance your B&B facilities, or are you looking to provide a charging station for anyone passing through in the same way as a petrol station does ?
 

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Hi cah197,

Thank you for your response, I will contact PodPoint about a type 2 charge point.

Your suggestion of a dedicated meter is a good option, as is a free allowance, maybe the equivalent of full, charge, though I have no clue what that would be, it would be a nice gesture after some has say travelled 120 miles from London for example.
 

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Hi AnotherJoe,
Thank you for your responce.

The charge point would purely be to add a facility, with view to attracting EV drivers, as we have already introduce a lot of ECO friendly facilities.

We do not have the space to accommodate a public facility.

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Others have done this, generally as more of an extra service to encourage EV guests, rather than an individual revenue stream. Might be worth reading this thread ( Holidays in Pembrokeshire ) , which has one holiday let's solution.

That is not to say that making money out of the charge point is not an option of course. The revenue from it would be fairly limited though, when you consider the cost of the electricity supplied will be relatively small.
 

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I think most people renting the holiday home will generally have a single EV, so looking for multiple charge points should maybe be a secondary consideration.

If you just go for a single point, then you could maybe add a suitable outdoor socket, so that any additional EV could use a granny cable to top up.

Both of these could possibly be attached to a separate meter, then a reading taken at the start of the stay and a reading at the end could be used to work out a charge based on a predefined rate.

Anything with 2 points will probably fall under commercial and take a long time to recoup costs, if you ever manage to.
 

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Hi cah197,

Thank you for your response, I will contact PodPoint about a type 2 charge point.

Your suggestion of a dedicated meter is a good option, as is a free allowance, maybe the equivalent of full, charge, though I have no clue what that would be, it would be a nice gesture after some has say travelled 120 miles from London for example.
A 120 mile journey would need roughly 35kWh of electricty to recharge. Perhaps 30kWh in Summer. The exact amout depends on the car, the weather and driver.

You may find that most customers have charged en-route and need less than 30kWh to recharge.

With Economy 7 you would want your customers to use their charege timers or have a timer on the charge point.

Alternatively you could charge two rates? What are your unit rates? It might be low enough you could just absorb the cost ????
 

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Hi TVEV,

Thank you for your responce,
I will take a look at the link you have provided.
It is not the intention to make money from the point, only cover costs (capital and operating) , as the huse is an income stream for us, we are not looking for the charge point to be an income stream.
 

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Hi blackeunos

Thank you for your response, we are looking to minimise capital cost, so would prefer not to go to an expensive commercial unit.

We would be looking to charge at our E7 day and night rates respectively + a little. Providing a main + "granny" power source is a good idea.
 

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Hi TVEV,

Thank you for your responce,
I will take a look at the link you have provided.
It is not the intention to make money from the point, only cover costs (capital and operating) , as the huse is an income stream for us, we are not looking for the charge point to be an income stream.
If you haven't got a meter in the holiday let, then as has already been suggested, you could put a meter before the charge point and take the readings before/after each let. Some charge points do have an app or similar interface to report on usage stats, in which case a meter may not be necessary.

I think a 7kW/32A charge point with a type 2 socket, plus a 3-pin 13A outdoor socket is a good set up for a holiday let.

Here's a 7kW charger with a 3-pin socket alongside (installed at the Pembroke holiday let I mentioned)...

 

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Hi andrew&debbie,

Thank you for the information on Kwh usage.

Our night rate is ~ 7.5p and day rate ~15p, so free or a basic allowance as cah197 suggested could be an option, what is key is what should I install and where can I source a unit.

Ideally we are looking to provide a service that is cost neutral to us, that should not cost considerable more than when you are hooked up at home.
 

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Hi blackeunos

Thank you for your response, we are looking to minimise capital cost, so would prefer not to go to an expensive commercial unit.

We would be looking to charge at our E7 day and night rates respectively + a little. Providing a main + "granny" power source is a good idea.
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I use holiday lets in the UK a lot. All this talk of rates and meters is a real put off. When we take our dog they usually add a fee for "extra cleaning etc" Now I would just do that for use of the charger say £10/week and encourage them to charge on timer to be eco/green. So even if someone charged at the day rate of 15 p that £10 would give them about 250 miles. On E7 500 miles. Unless they are touring they would use a lot less. Certainly £15 would on average give more than the cost of electricity. Keep it simple is my opinion and keep an eye on the usage for EV users and non EV users by taking readings off the current meter. You may find EVer's are so ECO aware they actually use less than average folk even when adding on the car charging. Good on you for being forward thinking and good luck.

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I've stayed a few places like this. So far all of them have not charged for EV charging. To me, this was an extra service that encouraged me to stay there. So the benefit to the owner is the extra business. Fortuntely I have a PHEV so charging is a nice to have rather than essential.

I would go for a simple rolec type charger and not bother with the hassle of metering and charging. Enjoy the extra business it brings in and happy customers.

Personally, I have a dislike for 'tight' B&B, holiday let owners. I know of one holiday let where they had meters on the electric heating and billed seperately for it. Sometimes when you go away you want to relax and not have to worry about things like that. Much in the same way people like all inclusive holidays.
 

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The charge point would purely be to add a facility, with view to attracting EV drivers, as we have already introduce a lot of ECO friendly facilities.
In which case I think you are barking up the wrong tree to look to recoup costs through some sort of metering type setup or get something complex, the actual costs of the electric are minimal, you could reduce costs to you by asking your guests to set their car chargers for your E7 times, if you just raised your rates by £2 or £3 a day (if you wanted to) that would cover the electric. A single car charge point would do, and to cater for as many car types as possible get a type2 untethered (eg without a cable attached) which will also be cheaper than a tethered as well. Clients will bring their own cables.

Also the hassle of trying to charge for a few quid via meter readings just isnt worth it especially in loss of goodwill as Jon72 says.
 

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I would be tempted to just install a couple of outside 13amp sockets and see how many customers you actually attract. Especially if there are rapid chargers in the area as an overnight charge is likely to provide 70 or so miles to a typical EV. Enough for day to day sightseeing and a rapid top up if they need it. Its a cheap solution to start with and would probably be enough to encourage EV drivers to stay.
 

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I agree with the others. You will be seen as being 'mean' asking for the £5 to £10 charging that most would do. Just add it into you letting costs. Say £20 a week. It will save you the cost of reading or adding the meter.

I imagine the scenario. Hello, guests, before you go any further, let's just read this meter. Would you be amused by that?

Still, good on you for considering this. May it bring you lot's of extra guests.(y)(y) Don't forget to make it clear on your website/advertising. It's really hard to find holidays with chargers.

Looks a really quiet place.:) Where about in Gloucester are you?
 

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How about putting in an external 13 amp socket? The cost would be negligible.

The danger is that most people will be able to open a window, throw out an extension cable and charge anyway.
 

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Our night rate is ~ 7.5p and day rate ~15p, so free or a basic allowance as cah197 suggested could be an option, what is key is what should I install and where can I source a unit.

Ideally we are looking to provide a service that is cost neutral to us, that should not cost considerable more than when you are hooked up at home.

Instead of paying to add a meter, you could charge £2.50 a day flat fee to use the charge point. Only turn the power on if a customer has paid the fee.

That is a little bit more than the electricity would cost. Most of you customers are going to pull less than 30kWh per day. I use about 8kWh per day to power our LEAF.



Where to get one?

ZeroCarbon World was giving them away free to Hotels and B&Bs. You would have to pay the installation costs. I don't know if they have any left.

Free Charging Stations - Zero Carbon World


If they are out, you will have to buy one. One good choice is a Rolec Wall pod. That is the unit in the photo above.

EV Charging Points For The Home | EV Charging | Rolecserv

Installation will cost about £400 - £500. Maybe less. It depends on how much work is needed and who does it. There are companies that specialise in EV charge points. You might be able to find a local electrician to do the work for less. It isn't hard but must be done by an electrician.




Pod-Point will sell you a unit for £859 including basic installation. (7kW with universal socket)

Home Electric Car Chargepoints


All of those prices include VAT. You may not have to pay that . . .



Chargemaster are worth a look too.

Site Hosts - Chargemaster Plc
For Home - Chargemaster Plc
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I agree that people should pay for the electricity or costs would have to rise for everyone booking the holiday home. Someone staying a week, arriving empty in Tesla 100D and doing 100+ miles a day touring would use quite a bit of electricity and why should other guests pay for it?

We have a holiday home we let in Spain and are looking at offering charging from probably 2019 as we think more people will be driving Tesla and other longer range cars down there as the charging network to Spain improves. Our only concern is our 3 bed townhouse may not be upmarket enough for Tesla drivers ;) we like our house there, but perhaps are a different type of Model S owner?

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For OP the latest Polar units (unlike early ones) are fairly accurate at recording the kWh used and time charge started on the web portal, so it wouldn't be hard to take the cost of the charging from a renters deposit.

In Spain we will probably need to use a Zappi to get load control as we have limited supply. I think socket one will be available later this year? Not clear if we can remotely check use of electricty - anyone know? Electric is expensive there so no way we are giving it free or at fixed cost ;)
 
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