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I have been following Amperas and Volts being offered for sale for the last ten months or so and this has to be the lowest price yet seen . . .

£6,200 must be a very good price for a car that still has the Voltec warranty and is probably a 2013 model year - first registered in 2015.
 

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Not sure this is legit - the listing states 'Private sale.' and 'East Sussex Location' yet purports to be a trade seller in Bristol...
Looking at the sellers own website they don't list any of the numerous vehicles which have just been listed on ebay in their name...most of which are priced well below trade...the phone number is also different to that given on their own website...
I would suggest proceeding with caution as I have known trade sellers to have their ebay sites hacked/spoofed...
If it looks too good to be true etc...
 

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I have been following Amperas and Volts being offered for sale for the last ten months or so and this has to be the lowest price yet seen . . .

£6,200 must be a very good price for a car that still has the Voltec warranty and is probably a 2013 model year - first registered in 2015.
That's fake as its been up for sale for several months at about £11k .... let me find the link.

Edit : Here it is, link

TBH that started at about £12.5k earlier this summer. I'm not sure why its not selling though, mileage, positiv rather than electron, price?

Was quite tempted by this one which ended today, not sure it sold though and had 28 watchers. Felt a bit of a higher price for the mileage than I want to pay although the prices are all over the place with certain south coast dealers keeping them high. I'm probably unrealistic in my price though.
 

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If it looks too good to be true etc...
Agreed - perhaps someone in the Bristol (Yate) area could warn them that their business name is being used for an eBay scam?
 

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Was quite tempted by this one which ended today, not sure it sold though and had 28 watchers. Felt a bit of a higher price for the mileage than I want to pay although the prices are all over the place with certain south coast dealers keeping them high. I'm probably unrealistic in my price though.
Looking at the registration number, it could have been an unexploded bomb! I have purchased most of my cars during the last fifteen years or so via eBay and have been fortunate, so far, to avoid being scammed . . .

I am not sure what the scammers hope to achieve because I would only ever pay with a credit card and then only when the car and keys are handed over . . .
 

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I think that account is new as all the items are newly listed, very odd. I think they are all fake and well below book price. Also looks like they grab 3 images and the text so must have a script to grab them off other sites.
 

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Looking at the registration number, it could have been an unexploded bomb! I have purchased most of my cars during the last fifteen years or so via eBay and have been fortunate, so far, to avoid being scammed . . .

I am not sure what the scammers hope to achieve because I would only ever pay with a credit card and then only when the car and keys are handed over . . .
Lol unexploded bomb! I think they must be relying on people who are blinded by a bargain e.g. an f type for £10k less than the cheapest on autotrader, well give me a deposit of £300 and i'll reserve it for you sir. As you say you will only pay when you've seen the car and its ready to be handed over. Autotrader seem to have a permanent popup banner warning over fraud and scammers so I assume they are out there and they must be successful enough to keep trying.
 

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Been up several times with different accounts - when I asked for pics of the service book they said no more photos available!

Avoid like the plague and I reported it to eBay.

Volt was up before for £6-7k but they did the wheels and bumper up as scratched and now want too much for it IMO. It is genuine though.

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I'm guessing the MO will be to take multiple small deposits via debit card/bank transfer on numerous cars and then disappear off into the sunset...could probably take a dozen on the Ampera alone at that price...
 

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Been up several times with different accounts - when I asked for pics of the service book they said no more photos available!

Avoid like the plague and I reported it to eBay.

Volt was up before for £6-7k but they did the wheels and bumper up as scratched and now want too much for it IMO. It is genuine though.

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Oh I might have been interested with it being a bit cheaper with my responsibility to fix. Although it does look in nice condition.

And the next day this appears at a certain south coast dealer .....
Is it the same car?
 

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The Chevrolet Volt AF13 UXB - does appear to have been snapped up by R Symonds and is now for sale on their website as well as on eBay. It is not such a big 'mark-up' given that R Symonds are a major EV specialist and will have had to add 20% VAT to make their selling price of £10,750. Take off the VAT and the 'mark-up' comes down to nearer £500 (always assuming that R Symonds paid something close to the asking price) which isn't bad for a car that comes with the added security of buying from a reputable dealer.

I have seen this with certain other cars - when we bought our MGF a few years back, initially, almost every MGF that we enquired about had just been sold to a well know dealer that specialises in the marque - the same car then appeared on the dealers website within an matter of hours at a significantly higher price but with a guarantee that a private buyer would struggle to offer.
 

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The Chevrolet Volt AF13 UXB - does appear to have been snapped up by R Symonds and is now for sale on their website as well as on eBay. It is not such a big 'mark-up' given that R Symonds are a major EV specialist and will have had to add 20% VAT to make their selling price of £10,750. Take off the VAT and the 'mark-up' comes down to nearer £500 (always assuming that R Symonds paid something close to the asking price) which isn't bad for a car that comes with the added security of buying from a reputable dealer.

I have seen this with certain other cars - when we bought our MGF a few years back, initially, almost every MGF that we enquired about had just been sold to a well know dealer that specialises in the marque - the same car then appeared on the dealers website within an matter of hours at a significantly higher price but with a guarantee that a private buyer would struggle to offer.
Don't they only pay VAT on the profit they make? So I'd assume they got it for £8k, maybe less. So working on that profit would be £2750 = £2200 profit + £550 VAT. This of course excludes and other corp tax they pay and their overheads.
 

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Incidentally, the original vehicle (Ampera YS15 URJ) is still listed on eBay at £6,200!
Now showing as no longer available!

It has since re-appeared as a new listing - and,
This too has now been removed!

I can't keep up . . .
 

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Don't they only pay VAT on the profit they make? So I'd assume they got it for £8k, maybe less. So working on that profit would be £2750 = £2200 profit + £550 VAT. This of course excludes and other corp tax they pay and their overheads.
It depends on their accounting system and the agreement they have with HMRC. VAT can be charged on the whole purchase price or just on the profit element (this is common in the Antique trade) which is an attractive option from a customers point of view but is more difficult to manage for the supplier and requires very detailed accounts to be submitted to HMRC.
 
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