[jontracey]

Why not just drive it and enjoy the drive, it's a wonderful car and a great fun

 

[smartie]

Tesla quote real world range of much less than 312 miles on their website. The NEDC figure is a legal requirement for all cars sold in the UK to quote and does not necessarily reflect real world performance as shown by the real world numbers quoted by Tesla.

You are no doubt aware of this but I guess it does not suite your current agenda to say so.

I'm comparing the real world experience of driving the Tesla Roadster against the Tesla Model S over a ~180 mile journey that I have driven many times in the last 4.5 years.

I believe the 312 mile NEDC range of the Model S is unachievable unlike the 211 mile NEDC range of the Roadster. My hunch is that the huge weight of the Model S is severely depressing the real world range.

S

Very long way from the 312 miles (NEDC) that Tesla quote on their website...

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

Tesla quote real world range of much less than 312 miles on their website.

Where?

 

[Jimbo]

Put realistic data into the range calculator and you get a realistic result.

225 miles in a P85 at a steady 70mph with AC on is very close to reality. Obviously you should factor in a further reduction for traffic, weather and geography.

 

[smartie]

Where?

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/goelectric

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/goelectric

meaningless in legal context... only quoted NEDC range forms part of your contract with Tesla...

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520486541224083456

 

[smartie]

meaningless in legal context... only quoted NEDC range forms part of your contract with Tesla...

So presumably same would go for Leaf quoted at 124 miles range and most manufacturers quoting unachievable mpg figures?

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

So presumably same would go for Leaf quoted at 124 miles range and most manufacturers quoting unachievable mpg figures?

Correct... but let's discuss this in another thread... This thread is for my real world Midel S experiences.

 

[smartie]

Correct... but let's discuss this in another thread... This thread is for my real world Midel S experiences.

Not at all, I think it's relevant here as Tesla is following standard market practice i.e. if you can replicate NEDC test conditions you will get NEDC range. If you can't you won't - simple.

 

[Simon Mac]

I have noticed my Wh/mi has gone up pretty drastically over the last few weeks (not sure if it's coincidental with V6.0, or the drop in temperature).

I was getting v. close to "typical" in my S60 a month ago, and the average wH/mi was around 330 mark. Now I'm lucky to be getting 400. :S

Last night in start stop traffic, I saw my 5 mile average go over 500

 

[Lee Jones]

I have noticed my Wh/mi has gone up pretty drastically over the last few weeks (not sure if it's coincidental with V6.0, or the drop in temperature).

I was getting v. close to "typical" in my S60 a month ago, and the average wH/mi was around 330 mark. Now I'm lucky to be getting 400. :S

Last night in start stop traffic, I saw my 5 mile average go over 500

I think I'm seeing the same and it was just after the v6 update. My overall average is still 355 though so not too bad. I've managed 240+ miles but it's not fun.

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520531448907173888

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520559408498372608

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520560429664587777

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520560888693415936

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

Charge rate at Birmingham supercharger is 21kW when two cars on charge

Given its a 40+ minute diversion from the motorway I'd suggest using the AC Rapids at the services...

 

[Lee Jones]

Doing well there Kevin. I usually get around 200 miles (or less) projected when I am pottering around locally and, as someone has said on your twitter feed, it uses alot of juice getting itself moving.

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

it uses alot of juice getting itself moving.

Without a doubt that's why its so poor compared with the Roadster... I tried to cruise at 70mph on the motorway but heavy traffic put an end to that and the energy consumption soured as a result.

 

[Lee Jones]

Charge rate at Birmingham supercharger is 21kW when two cars on charge

Given its a 40+ minute diversion from the motorway I'd suggest using the AC Rapids at the services...

Depends on the SOC of the first car as the system allocates progressively more to the second car as the car fills up.

With a single charger I'd only get 11 kW on an Ecotricity (and the last time I used on I got much less than that) so given the postulated 30 minutes maximum everyone's banging on about, that's a 15 mile top up! Hardly worth bothering.

I agree that the Brum SC location is terrible though given the traffic; not too bad out of peak hours I've heard

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

Depends on the SOC of the first car as the system allocates progressively more to the second car as the car fills up.

When I returned to the car after 1.5 hours a second Tesla had replaced the first and therefore in reality I spent a lot of time charging at ~21kW

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520577616504688642

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520614825534435329

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520657678004404225

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/520655303638253570