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I read this interesting article:

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/06/30/ammonia-secret-to-better-hydrogen-cars/

The TL:DR is, carry a tank of ammonia in your car instead of hydrogen, turn it -into- hydrogen when you need it, and put the hydrogen through a fuel cell to create electricity, OR, burn the ammonia and clean up the NOx.

Great! We are all saved!

Wait a second, where does ammonia come from....

Modern ammonia-producing plants[edit]


Block flow diagram of the ammonia synthesis process
A typical modern ammonia-producing plant first converts natural gas (i.e., methane) or LPG (liquefied petroleum gases such as propane and butane) or petroleum naphtha into gaseous hydrogen. The method for producing hydrogen from hydrocarbons is referred to as "Steam Reforming".[2] The hydrogen is then combined with nitrogen to produce ammonia via the Haber-Bosch process.


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The plot thickens.... But at least it means that some will be able to keep ignoring all that free energy that's all around us and keep digging, drilling and fracking, demanding billions for their efforts...
 

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I read this interesting article:

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/06/30/ammonia-secret-to-better-hydrogen-cars/

The TL:DR is, carry a tank of ammonia in your car instead of hydrogen, turn it -into- hydrogen when you need it, and put the hydrogen through a fuel cell to create electricity, OR, burn the ammonia and clean up the NOx.

Great! We are all saved!

Wait a second, where does ammonia come from....

Modern ammonia-producing plants[edit]


Block flow diagram of the ammonia synthesis process
A typical modern ammonia-producing plant first converts natural gas (i.e., methane) or LPG (liquefied petroleum gases such as propane and butane) or petroleum naphtha into gaseous hydrogen. The method for producing hydrogen from hydrocarbons is referred to as "Steam Reforming".[2] The hydrogen is then combined with nitrogen to produce ammonia via the Haber-Bosch process.


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Original article is this one from a week earlier:
http://phys.org/news/2014-06-hydrogen-breakthrough-game-changer-future-car.html

Quite surprised with the volume of IT geeks here that this article wasn't picked up from /. at the time
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/26/1822229/new-chemical-process-could-make-ammonia-a-practical-car-fuel
 

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Ammonia carried in a vehicle? It's hazardous in a way that petrol, hydrogen, electricity or indeed Dynamite just isn't...
 

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Why not go the whole hog and carry Hydrazine (N2H4)? Get more hydrogen out of that much more quickly. With the added bonus that if you suddenly need to put your car on the moon, Hydrazine can get it there - rocket motor optional.
 

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I read this interesting article:

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/06/30/ammonia-secret-to-better-hydrogen-cars/

The TL:DR is, carry a tank of ammonia in your car instead of hydrogen, turn it -into- hydrogen when you need it, and put the hydrogen through a fuel cell to create electricity, OR, burn the ammonia and clean up the NOx.

Great! We are all saved!

Wait a second, where does ammonia come from....

Modern ammonia-producing plants[edit]


Block flow diagram of the ammonia synthesis process
A typical modern ammonia-producing plant first converts natural gas (i.e., methane) or LPG (liquefied petroleum gases such as propane and butane) or petroleum naphtha into gaseous hydrogen. The method for producing hydrogen from hydrocarbons is referred to as "Steam Reforming".[2] The hydrogen is then combined with nitrogen to produce ammonia via the Haber-Bosch process.


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Ah,The Haber process..that brings me back to high school chemistry..here's a thought while I'm reminiscing about things in the past..How about Let's just cut out the middle man using loads of leccy to produce a fuel,and get on with running a car on volts instead? I must admit I was quite surprised to hear Robert Llewellyn on "Fully Charged" mentioning a refinery would take the power of a couple of cities to keep the systems running and pumps topped up..
 

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Why not go the whole hog and carry Hydrazine (N2H4)? Get more hydrogen out of that much more quickly. With the added bonus that if you suddenly need to put your car on the moon, Hydrazine can get it there - rocket motor optional.
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