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Newbie who needs setup advice

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Hi all.

Got a Outlander PHEV yesterday. Need some advice on granny charging setup.

I plan to run the cable from the garage. Please see items below. It’s an outside power cord and plug. Fitted from the power source will be an RCD.

Is this ample or not? I’m a newbie so I’m not entirely sure and you seasoned EV/PHEVs will know more so I’m looking for your advice.

If okay, I plan to make the outside cord a permanent solution so will be using wire clips to neatly run it the side of the house.

Thanks in advance!


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This is going to be one of the issues with mass take up of EVs. Give someone a lead with a 3 pin plug on it and the majority of people are just going to plug it into the most convenient socket with no real thought about load or how that particular socket is fed.

The benefit of a new dedicated circuit, be it a EV specific wall box or a properly installed commando socket is it's a known quantity with limited points of failure. That socket in the corner of the lounge that the granny charger is plugged into before being dangled out the window is drawing a large continual current through a circuit with many points of possible failure. Is it a spur, and from where using what? If it's on the ring, when was the last time it was tested for continuity around said ring or is it pulling 10amp through one half of it, and what else is on that half?
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Be careful with the "fit a commando socket" advice. Connecting an EVSE (irrespective of socket) to an existing RCD has a risk it will cause nuisance tripping. There is also a relatively rare risk the RCD could be blinded by a DC fault with the car resulting in injury in the event of a house fault. Another rare but significant risk is that a PME neural fault would result in a dangerous voltage between the car bodywork and true Earth. These rare risks are why the regulations and code of practice were updated and any EVSE used on a regular basis should be installed to comply with them for safety. Just because someone has used a portable EVSE (aka Granny)plugged into a ring for years with no issues, doesn't mean it is totally safe.

For now, I would certainly avoid plugging in the EVSE to garage. Perhaps get an electrician to check one of the other rings and use as a temporary measure with due diligence.
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Just because someone has used a portable EVSE (aka Granny)plugged into a ring for years with no issues, doesn't mean it is totally safe.
Just because someone has used a full fat 7kW EVSE for years doesn't mean its totally safe (especially if it is an early generation Rolec.)
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Very much tongue in cheek BTW.

Unfortunately electricity is such an integral part of everyday life that we have to a degree become blaze and nonchalant to it and the inherent risks. How many houses have never been inspected after the initial installation? Except for rental properties I imagine that's the great majority.
Would most people know how often it is advised to be done?
Just because someone has used a full fat 7kW EVSE for years doesn't mean its totally safe (especially if it is an early generation Rolec.)
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I appreciate tongue in cheek, but is true. Our Chargemaster installed back in 2013 was wired directly to an MCB in our CU and we had several instances of nuisance tripping, plus the associated risks that were not widely known at the time.

In 2014 we got our electrician to split the supply and fit a separate CU for car charging and then got Chargemaster to fit a second one. We also had him change most of our house MCBs to RCBOs.
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